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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Bananiot » Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:22 am

Well done Piratis, the last sentence says it all. Let us put the past behind and look to the future. Could not have put it better myself.

The rest (all we want is a democratic country which respects human rights) is kids' staff. This is a real world in which we live and in a real world you pay for your mistakes (unless you are a superpower), so you can expect that the mistakes of the recent past cannot simply vanish into thin air but they will be there, shaping the future!

May be you and me are not responsible for these mistakes but this is just tough. And yes, our government is throwing us dipper and dipper into international isolation at a time when we should be capitalising on our EU accession. That is another mistake and rest assure, we will pay this bill too, when it arrives.

By the way, in case you haven't notice, Turkey ia a superpower in our area and furthermore, a close ally of the world's only superpower. These are just some of the odds stuck against us; saw what happened with the american weapons, those few we have are illegal, but the ones Attila has are perfectly legal, according to the americans.

I suppose this is fine, they are the bad guys; we are the good guys. Pity it isn't a movie.

This is the real world my friend. It has nothing to do with the microcosm in which we live (all we ask is a democratic country which respects human rights).

Let me put it in another way. Anyone can say this, even Idi Amin, or Grivas if you prefer or Makarios.

You can believe them at your own peril.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:47 am

The rest (all we want is a democratic country which respects human rights) is kids' staff. This is a real world in which we live and in a real world you pay for your mistakes (unless you are a superpower), so you can expect that the mistakes of the recent past cannot simply vanish into thin air but they will be there, shaping the future!

First of all democracy and human rights are ideals and not kids staff. Thirty years of occupation is more than enough payment. Why should we pay even more?

What I said in my previous post was for people like Mehmet, and most others TCs in this forum that truly want a viable solution that will last for long long time and will end the suffering of Cypriots.

I agree partly with the way you see the "real world". It is true that the the US and even Turkey are superpowers compared to us, and therefore they will do whats for their own interest and they do not care about ideals and justice.

But you forget that the weak like us have a role to play in the real world also. We are not here to serve the superpowers, we are not their slaves. We are small, but we can cause some problems to them. And we are causing problems. Ask the TCs if the occupation is problem free for them. And in Turkey itself, we are creating some problems also, especially now with the EU. They should know that there is a price to pay also. Nothing comes free of charge, even for the superpowers.
In the case of Cyprus I wouldn't go as far as to say that things like biological and chemical weapons, and other forms of "new world" warfare are currently an option, but if they do something that will significantly reduce our well being they can become.

They should know that their option is between solving the Cyprus problem in a fair way that will result in a truly united country that will be democratic and respect everyones human rights, or remain our enemies.
Our surrender is not an option for them, and our loud "no" in the referendum proves that.
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Postby Bananiot » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:05 am

You have forgotten our nuclear option. Oh dear, its getting hilarious.

The superpowers are not caring about ideals and justice, you say. Let us see. While we are talking, genocide is being performed in Sudan (did you know?) and thousands of people face starvation in one of the worst humanitarian disasters ever recorded.

Have you heard anyone in this banana republic of ours voice concern? Do you know anyone that has lost his/her sleep over this matter? Do you want me to tell you who cares? Do you want me to tell you who is sending airoplane loads of humanitarian aid on a daily basis?

Ask the sufferers in Sudan. May be they will paint a different picture of the superpower than the one you paint. But, you are not living in Sudan, you live in Cyprus and you are just beging to threaten the world with biological and chemical weapons, if you don't get back your toy that you lost gambling.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:41 am

In Somalia the Americans were shouting innocents like flies. They do the same in Iraq several times. The amount the Americans spend for aid in poor countries as percentage of their GDP is lower than that of many other countries. In 2003 it was 0.14 of their GDP, in comparisson Greece gave 0.21% while Norway had the highest with 0.92%.

I didn't threaten anybody (especially the world!!!!). I said that those things can only happen if they do something that will significantly reduce our well being. But in the real world those things are in the game also, aren't they? How hard is it to contaminate water supplies or release poison gases? It has nothing to do with the difficulty of creating Nuclear weapons.
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Postby michalis5354 » Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:58 pm

Piratis wrote:Maybe Bananiot considers brain washing the fact that they teach at schools things like the Turkish invasion.

Turks are our enemies. We didn't choose this. We don't want it. But they occupy part of our country and therefore we are forced to see them like this.


Piratis problems are never solved with hostility! Turkish invasion occurred because some other actions happened before of this! It is misleading not to see the whole picture and focusing on one particular event. This does not help to solve the problem either . It makes it even more complicated.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:11 pm

Piratis problems are never solved with hostility!


Say this to the Turks, not to me.
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