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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby -mikkie2- » Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:06 am

Yes and when we agree on a solution, they'll probably go back to Turkey as millioners and we'll be in Cyprus trying to figure out what land belongs to who and who gets what. Now do we understand why we need a solution NOW?


Well said. I do think that the solution is quite close mainly due to the property issue. Can you imagine Britain having to sort out all those ex-pats going to northern Cyprus buying up property that is stolen, especially now that the WHOLE of Cyprus is in the EU. The outside interests will have to force this issue because they will end up having to foot part of the bill!

I predicted that perhaps things will start unravelling soon after the gates opened. The best thing that can happen is for TC's to start reclaiming their property in the south using legal means. It took time, but the ball has started to roll. Turkey will have very few corners left to hide in.

So, TC's, if you genuinely want a solution that looks after the interests of yourselves and your GC brothers then you have to act.
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Postby tcypriot » Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:31 am

Why should we stop the constructions in TRNC? Because the greeks said no to "PEACE" or because greeks have occupied the "Cyprus Republic" or because the greeks see us as a "MINORITY" or because the greeks do not allow the EU organs to be in direct contact with the TCs or because the greeks do whatever thay can to make the economy of TRNC worse off or because the greeks have occupied two Turkish Cypriot seats in the European Parliament or because they are against any action that will leave the Turkish Cypriots better off?

Are we idiots to stop one of the few flourishing sectors in TRNC?

And for whom we'll sacrifice our national economic growth?For people who said no to a legal state and yes to illegally occupying the Cyprus Republic.Do not be funny.

Greek Cypriots said no to a solution thus to receiving most of their land back.Now they do not have a single word to say about what is going on in TRNC.

Turkish Cypriots have made their sacrifices for peace and these are enough.Annan Plan was a huge sacrifice for the TCs wait for no more.

Also after considering what the TCs passed through between 1963 and 1974 even if A Plan had not been a huge sacrifice any kind of solution that'd be for the good of the gcs woul yet be a gigantic sacrifice.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:33 am

Why should we stop the constructions in TRNC?


Because such thing as "TRNC" does not exist and therefore it has no right to decide about anything on the island of Cyprus. This is not what I say, this is what every UN resolution says, and this is why apart from Turkey no other country recognizes that in the island of Cyprus exists anything else apart from the Republic of Cyprus. What exists is an illegal occupation of the north part of the Republic of Cyprus by Turkey.

You can continue to be criminals and thieves if you wish, but this doesn't mean that we should not try to stop the crimes that are committed against us.

You can continue your constructions, but the people that buy them should be informed that they have absolutely no ownership on the property they pay to buy. They should be informed that they are simply going to loose their money to crooks, that have proven time after time that have no respect to laws and that the only thing they know to do is to steal and gain on the expense of some others.
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:34 am

The above constitute powereful arguments and since we take recourse to the UN or EE or other institutions or even countries for help, I cannot see anyone of the outsiders (including Greece itself) turning a blind eye to the above. Yes, the TC's accepted the plan and some residents of Morphou even voted to become refugees for the third time in the last 40 or so turbulent years. Perhaps the majority of the residents of this area voted for the solution.

Its very hard to convince anyone that the TC's should be left to carry on as if nothing has happened. Papadopoulos, the other day, put the last nail on Anan's plan, with his speech at the UN. Its obvious that he does not intend to bring it up again even to negotiate some changes to it. He is a committed nationalist and the idea of political equality of the two communities makes his hair stand on end. He has always been like this. I do not blame him. Hoever, I curse AKEL, the leadership of which has betrayed the noble cause of generations of party members and supporters who even gave their lives, for a common country.

What a tragedy!
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Postby erolz » Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:35 am

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 5&cat_id=1

"He said reports indicated the administration of these properties [TC properties under RoC guardianship] did not “look good” and unanswered questions existed surrounding the possibility of low rents unrelated to the commercial reality of the properties or the possibility that non-refugees were allowed to reside in them."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 9&cat_id=1
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:39 am

Of course, I was refering to the thread by tcypriot, not Piratis who seems to be living in a different world, perhaps in the semi legal pseudo world of Papadopoulos, when he is cheering all the way when the north is turned into a modern taiwan state.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:48 am

Bananiot, you are living in a different world. If some foreigners are being cheated and some crooks take their money thats their problem.

The facts remain that the land that belongs to us will always belong to us, and we will take it back either they like it or not.

We can start with a slap to Turkey in December. Lets see how much that will cost them in comparison with what they made by selling our properties. I am sure their balance sheet will not be very good.

I suggest to organize a demonstration demanding a "NO" to the Turkish EU application. If Papadopoulos is nationalist as you say, then he will have no problem to use our absolutely legal veto power.
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Postby Chrisswirl » Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:49 am

Wait a second, the GREEKS have invaded the South? Are you serious? Turkey took 37,5% of Cypriot territory, and a large percentage of the land they took was Greek Cypriot. As far as I can see, Turkey was not very interested in taking Turkish Cypriot villages, more land which was geographically significant and convenient (and which allowed Turkey to control the sea between Cyprus and Turkey). I mean come on, Turkey wanted Taksim and they acheived it, you can't blame the Greeks for then taking all the land that was left. And as you can see by the events recently, your rights as refugees are guaranteed. And there's nothing stopping Turkish Cypriots coming home, so please don't call the GCs the occupiers.

I am pro solution and have friends who are both Turkish and Greek so please don't take this as against the Turkish Cypriot community, this is arguing against the comment of one person.

Please stop having such a one sided view on things, Sir. The events of the 60s were awful and should never happen again, but to remember that many Greeks died in 1974, and 200,000 were made homeless. Two wrongs don't make a right. It just annoys me when nationalists declare that wrongs of history never happened.
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Postby Chrisswirl » Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:52 am

Piratis, the danger of not letting Turkey into the EU is that you may isolate Turkey and push her towards nationalism and away from the West. I would say to accept Turkey into the EU as a sign of goodwill; it may push the Cyprus process on a stage. Certainly, a European Turkey is a good thing. And the Cyprus problem would have to be solved by the time Turkey enters for real, otherwise it would be occupying EU territory as an EU member state.
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Postby erolz » Sun Sep 26, 2004 12:00 pm

Chrisswirl wrote: It just annoys me when nationalists declare that wrongs of history never happened.


Like when Papadopolous tells journalists that 'not a single TC was killed between 64-74'?
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