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Re: greek mess

Postby Cap » Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:52 pm

Agreed, look what CY pays in defense annually. All that money wasted for nothing more than the curse of having a terrorist regime as a neighbor.
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Re: greek mess

Postby ZoC » Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:29 pm

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i got nothing further to add, at this stage, apart from my avatar on the left...
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Re: greek mess

Postby Bananiot » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:57 pm

Of course, you all agree, the "others" are to blame. I can tell you a different story, if you are that keen to find someone to curse:

1. Blame Andreas Papandreou, the populist PM who would borrow money to pay those that did nothing and produced nothing. He got their votes though and on top he saw "light at the end of the tunnel" for Cyprus, some 30 years ago, and we knocked the walls down to welcome him when he came to Cyprus.

2. Blame Costas Karamanlis and his government, who managed to double the deficit and the state.

3. Blame the present government and the opposition, for delaying to take the necessary measures and having nothing to offer as an alternative while watching the boat sink almost passively.
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Re: greek mess

Postby B25 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:28 am

Bananiot wrote:Of course, you all agree, the "others" are to blame. I can tell you a different story, if you are that keen to find someone to curse:

1. Blame Andreas Papandreou, the populist PM who would borrow money to pay those that did nothing and produced nothing. He got their votes though and on top he saw "light at the end of the tunnel" for Cyprus, some 30 years ago, and we knocked the walls down to welcome him when he came to Cyprus.

2. Blame Costas Karamanlis and his government, who managed to double the deficit and the state.

3. Blame the present government and the opposition, for delaying to take the necessary measures and having nothing to offer as an alternative while watching the boat sink almost passively.


Yes blame all these people, but don't blame Turkey for putting the financial stress on a peace loving country to defend itself against barbarians.

The Turkish mouth piece strikes again.
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Re: greek mess

Postby Jerry » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:15 pm

Bananiot wrote:Of course, you all agree, the "others" are to blame. I can tell you a different story, if you are that keen to find someone to curse:

1. Blame Andreas Papandreou, the populist PM who would borrow money to pay those that did nothing and produced nothing. He got their votes though and on top he saw "light at the end of the tunnel" for Cyprus, some 30 years ago, and we knocked the walls down to welcome him when he came to Cyprus.

2. Blame Costas Karamanlis and his government, who managed to double the deficit and the state.

3. Blame the present government and the opposition, for delaying to take the necessary measures and having nothing to offer as an alternative while watching the boat sink almost passively.


And of course, Bananiot, we can blame the Ancient Greeks for inventing Games that Greece felt obliged to hold (at great cost) in 2004. Seriously though, there are many reasons for the Greek Mess; some internal, some external. here's a couple more. Against the advice of SOE officers on the ground Britain armed the communists in Greece in WW2 - the result, civil war after 1945. Half a million Greeks (from a population of 7.6 million) died in WW2, most from starvation. Greece needed financial help after the war. Perhaps Greece acquired an addiction to receiving funds from outside after the Marshall Plan!
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Re: greek mess

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:40 pm

Most of the blame for the financial crises in Greece has to lay with the Greeks themselves. Sure other factors has played part over the years by other actors to make their situation a bad one, but the bottom line is, the Greeks need to take responsibility for their own mess. Now that the EU and the IMF has come to their "rescue", things will get worse for the Greeks before it gets better down the road. But the EU's helping hand shouldn't end there. They should help Greece drill for oil within her territory to help pay off their loans while they use the oil from a fellow EU member, as well as promote Greece as a vacation destination to help the Greeks get back on their feet. The EU taxpayers are already paying for Greece, so why not get their money back by vacationing in Greece also. It can be a win-win proposition. :idea:
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Re: greek mess

Postby ZoC » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:19 pm

ZoC wrote:as we all know greece is an embarrassing mess. rife with corruption, nepotism, tax evasion and inefficency, and with bankruptcy looming large, its credibility as a functioning state is now in question. there's a growing ridicule and resentment towards greece from tax payers in northern europe, and, in particular, from powerful allies to cyprus such as germany and france.

with this in mind, isn't it in the cypriot national interest to distance cyprus entirely from this sick man of europe so as not risk losing credibility and influence by association. discuss...


great to hear everyone's thoughts about what caused the mess, and how culpable the greeks themselves are, but what's more interesting, from a cypriot perspective, is the island's association with greece in the eyes of the outside world. surely, when a journalist, even in jest, suggests the "greek" part of cyprus be sold to turkey to help clear greece's debts, this is evidence of how greece's damaged reputation extends to and rubs off on cyprus. this has the potential to affect cypriot trade, tourism and investment, as well as general relations with eu and wider allies.
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Re: greek mess

Postby Jerry » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:45 pm

Where's Nikitas?

It would be interesting to hear what he has to say on the subject.
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Re: greek mess

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:04 pm

ZoC wrote:
ZoC wrote:as we all know greece is an embarrassing mess. rife with corruption, nepotism, tax evasion and inefficency, and with bankruptcy looming large, its credibility as a functioning state is now in question. there's a growing ridicule and resentment towards greece from tax payers in northern europe, and, in particular, from powerful allies to cyprus such as germany and france.

with this in mind, isn't it in the cypriot national interest to distance cyprus entirely from this sick man of europe so as not risk losing credibility and influence by association. discuss...


great to hear everyone's thoughts about what caused the mess, and how culpable the greeks themselves are, but what's more interesting, from a cypriot perspective, is the island's association with greece in the eyes of the outside world. surely, when a journalist, even in jest, suggests the "greek" part of cyprus be sold to turkey to help clear greece's debts, this is evidence of how greece's damaged reputation extends to and rubs off on cyprus. this has the potential to affect cypriot trade, tourism and investment, as well as general relations with eu and wider allies.


Sadly it probably reflects pig-ignorance on the part of yer average Brit, including some like Danny boy, where I suspect many are not aware of the current status of the Island and the history that lead to this sad state of affairs and Britain's part in it .
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Re: greek mess

Postby ZoC » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:34 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
ZoC wrote:
ZoC wrote:as we all know greece is an embarrassing mess. rife with corruption, nepotism, tax evasion and inefficency, and with bankruptcy looming large, its credibility as a functioning state is now in question. there's a growing ridicule and resentment towards greece from tax payers in northern europe, and, in particular, from powerful allies to cyprus such as germany and france.

with this in mind, isn't it in the cypriot national interest to distance cyprus entirely from this sick man of europe so as not risk losing credibility and influence by association. discuss...


great to hear everyone's thoughts about what caused the mess, and how culpable the greeks themselves are, but what's more interesting, from a cypriot perspective, is the island's association with greece in the eyes of the outside world. surely, when a journalist, even in jest, suggests the "greek" part of cyprus be sold to turkey to help clear greece's debts, this is evidence of how greece's damaged reputation extends to and rubs off on cyprus. this has the potential to affect cypriot trade, tourism and investment, as well as general relations with eu and wider allies.


Sadly it probably reflects pig-ignorance on the part of yer average Brit, including some like Danny boy, where I suspect many are not aware of the current status of the Island and the history that lead to this sad state of affairs and Britain's part in it .


if i were being charitable to the average brit (and not just brits) i'd contend that it's misinformed rather than ignorant.
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