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Re: Greek Tragedy

Postby Talisker » Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:58 pm

kimon07 wrote:The true Greek Tragedy is that the traitors, who have been running Greece since 1955, have been selling the country down the river systematically.

Completely agree, the political, financial, social and military elite have behaved disgracefully, being entirely self-serving and caring little for the effects of their actions on the rest of the nation.

But that does not mean those of us outside Greece who are observing this tragedy unfolding, including some forumers here who should know better, should denigrate the Greek population, the masses who have not contributed to the problem but have to face the consequences and are stigmatized as being tax dodgers, corrupt, lazy, etc.
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Re: Greek Tragedy

Postby Jerry » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:04 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:
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Maxx wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Is anyone actually running Greece at the mo ??? ... other than the Germans.


Their only salvation is to declare ENOSIS with Nicosia. :wink:


Not sure they will want to do that now, it looks like Greece may be pulling Cyprus down with it.

Moody's downgrades Cyprus's debt rating
Moody's downgraded the sovereign credit rating of Cyprus by two notches on Friday
saying that the country's banking system will require state support given its exposure to Greek government debt and retail loans.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/dcaad2d4-071e-1 ... abdc0.html


What a silly post! It's Moody's that played a part in Greeces problems. :roll:


Silly boy yourself loser. Whether or not you like what Moody’s have done the fact is the market’s confidence in Cyprus’s economy will fall. If austerity measures and tax increases don’t work Cyprus will have to raise loans at “Italian” rates.

Cyprus may need to raise taxes to help it pull out of an economic crisis, central bank Governor Athanasios Orphanides said on Saturday, a day after Moody's warned the island would probably need to seek emergency funding at some point.
Moody's downgraded Cyprus's credit rating by two notches to Baa3, one level above junk, on Friday, forecasting the government would have to bail out its banks next year due to their exposure to Greek debt. As the government has lost access to international capital markets, it would probably need to seek emergency funding from official sources, the ratings agency said.
The downgrade was the latest blow to the Mediterranean island, which has been hammered by ratings agencies and financial markets in the past year because of its banks' exposure to Greek debt and fiscal slippage, which has seen runaway deficits nudging 6.5 to 7.0% of gross domestic product.
Orphanides, who is also a member of the European Central Bank's Governing Council, said the authorities were slow to address signs of stress.
An austerity package cutting salaries in the civil service and plans to trim spending were a step in the right direction but more was needed, he said.
"In the position we are in right now, we cannot rule out that an increase in tax may be warranted," Orphanides told a conference at the University of Cyprus.
"We need to convince the world that we are reliable enough to overturn this situation."
Cyprus, the third smallest member of the euro zone, recently secured a pledge for a four-year loan from Russia for 2.5 billion euros to help finance debt maturing in 2012 and reduce a public sector deficit that is spiralling out of control.
http://www.financialmirror.com/news-details.php?nid=24909
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Re: Greek Tragedy

Postby Maxx » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:10 pm

kimon07 wrote:The true Greek Tragedy is that the traitors, who have been running Greece since 1955, have been selling the country down the river systematically.


“Roughly, the total sum of German compensation owed to Greece…. (as WWII reparations) ….approximately amounts to a staggering 1 trillion 200 billion Euros.”

http://amphiktyon-foreign.blogspot.com/ ... 47829db9a4

P.S. It is common belief in Greece and it has come out in greek magazines (ΕΠΙΚΑΙΡΑ No 105, dated 22/10 - 02/11 2011) and news papers, that the Greek Government does not bring the matter up having been threatened by Merkel that she will go public with the evidences of the bribings of Siemens to mainly the rulling party since it was run by Constantine Simitis.
(up to 2004)


Of course the Greeks won't bring it up.

Germany paid Greece 105 million USD in War Reparations in 1947. The Nation of Israel received 450DM.

It had paid a total of 20 billion to all allies combined.

So you obviously think you can keep hitting Germany over the head with that? :lol:
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Re: Greek Tragedy

Postby kimon07 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:12 pm

Talisker wrote:
kimon07 wrote:The true Greek Tragedy is that the traitors, who have been running Greece since 1955, have been selling the country down the river systematically.

Completely agree, the political, financial, social and military elite have behaved disgracefully, being entirely self-serving and caring little for the effects of their actions on the rest of the nation.

But that does not mean those of us outside Greece who are observing this tragedy unfolding, including some forumers here who should know better, should denigrate the Greek population, the masses who have not contributed to the problem but have to face the consequences and are stigmatized as being tax dodgers, corrupt, lazy, etc.


Could not had said it better myself.
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Re: Greek Tragedy

Postby Maxx » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:23 pm

Talisker wrote:
kimon07 wrote:The true Greek Tragedy is that the traitors, who have been running Greece since 1955, have been selling the country down the river systematically.

Completely agree, the political, financial, social and military elite have behaved disgracefully, being entirely self-serving and caring little for the effects of their actions on the rest of the nation.

But that does not mean those of us outside Greece who are observing this tragedy unfolding, including some forumers here who should know better, should denigrate the Greek population, the masses who have not contributed to the problem but have to face the consequences and are stigmatized as being tax dodgers, corrupt, lazy, etc.


We have the very same traitors in Cyprus and they have sold us out and are still selling us out with their Greek (Ottoman) ways within our Government throughout history.

It is about time we stop attaching ourselves to this God forsaken "mother" because it is starting to get embarrassing. And if Hellenism is so enlightened, well it doesn't appear to be so judging by the perverse racism to anything and almost everything non Greek. It's high time Cyprus stands on its own. There is nothing we can gain from Greece, other than their corruption which has caused their own decay and will cause ours in the not too distant future.

Cyprus, like all other new countries, such as the US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand et al needs to grow up fast.

And if you think it is this Hellenism that will unite us, then you are wrong. With this nonsense, all because some people want to cling on to the past, we will only guarantee a Greek and Turkish Cyprus.

Honestly Talisker, if that is who I am talking to, I thought you would understand much better being a Scott.

And you are wrong if you assume that we do not care for Greece or the plight of people.
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Re: Greek Tragedy

Postby Jerry » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:41 pm

Talisker wrote:
kimon07 wrote:The true Greek Tragedy is that the traitors, who have been running Greece since 1955, have been selling the country down the river systematically.

Completely agree, the political, financial, social and military elite have behaved disgracefully, being entirely self-serving and caring little for the effects of their actions on the rest of the nation.

But that does not mean those of us outside Greece who are observing this tragedy unfolding, including some forumers here who should know better, should denigrate the Greek population, the masses who have not contributed to the problem but have to face the consequences and are stigmatized as being tax dodgers, corrupt, lazy, etc.


Ah yes, the military. Happy to spend a larger proportion of Greece's GDP on itself than any other European country - and of course the European friends who were quite happy to supply the weapons of war so that Greece could defend itself against its NATO ally.
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Re: Greek Tragedy

Postby Maxx » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:50 pm

Jerry wrote:
Talisker wrote:
kimon07 wrote:The true Greek Tragedy is that the traitors, who have been running Greece since 1955, have been selling the country down the river systematically.

Completely agree, the political, financial, social and military elite have behaved disgracefully, being entirely self-serving and caring little for the effects of their actions on the rest of the nation.

But that does not mean those of us outside Greece who are observing this tragedy unfolding, including some forumers here who should know better, should denigrate the Greek population, the masses who have not contributed to the problem but have to face the consequences and are stigmatized as being tax dodgers, corrupt, lazy, etc.


Ah yes, the military. Happy to spend a larger proportion of Greece's GDP on itself than any other European country - and of course the European friends who were quite happy to supply the weapons of war so that Greece could defend itself against its NATO ally.


To be fair, I don't think they had much choice but to spend big on defence. But NATO and the EU are partly at fault for not keeping a tighter leash on Turkey.

They still can't afford to allow the Armed Forces to decay. And that is not their fault, but turkey's arrogance and aggressive behaviour which pushes everyone's limits.
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Re: Greek Tragedy

Postby Talisker » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:00 pm

Maxx wrote:
Talisker wrote:
kimon07 wrote:The true Greek Tragedy is that the traitors, who have been running Greece since 1955, have been selling the country down the river systematically.

Completely agree, the political, financial, social and military elite have behaved disgracefully, being entirely self-serving and caring little for the effects of their actions on the rest of the nation.

But that does not mean those of us outside Greece who are observing this tragedy unfolding, including some forumers here who should know better, should denigrate the Greek population, the masses who have not contributed to the problem but have to face the consequences and are stigmatized as being tax dodgers, corrupt, lazy, etc.


We have the very same traitors in Cyprus and they have sold us out and are still selling us out with their Greek (Ottoman) ways within our Government throughout history.

It is about time we stop attaching ourselves to this God forsaken "mother" because it is starting to get embarrassing. And if Hellenism is so enlightened, well it doesn't appear to be so judging by the perverse racism to anything and almost everything non Greek. It's high time Cyprus stands on its own. There is nothing we can gain from Greece, other than their corruption which has caused their own decay and will cause ours in the not too distant future.

Cyprus, like all other new countries, such as the US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand et al needs to grow up fast.

And if you think it is this Hellenism that will unite us, then you are wrong. With this nonsense, all because some people want to cling on to the past, we will only guarantee a Greek and Turkish Cyprus.

Honestly Talisker, if that is who I am talking to, I thought you would understand much better being a Scott.

And you are wrong if you assume that we do not care for Greece or the plight of people.


As 'someone else' :roll: previously proclaimed:
Paphitis wrote:Those that deny our Hellenistic heritage or wish to deny us the right of expressing our views without being labelled everything under the sun, need to cease at once this Spiritual Terrorism committed against Cypriots. :evil:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus20934.html?hilit=greece
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Re: Greek Tragedy

Postby Maxx » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:01 pm

Talisker wrote:
Maxx wrote:
Talisker wrote:
kimon07 wrote:The true Greek Tragedy is that the traitors, who have been running Greece since 1955, have been selling the country down the river systematically.

Completely agree, the political, financial, social and military elite have behaved disgracefully, being entirely self-serving and caring little for the effects of their actions on the rest of the nation.

But that does not mean those of us outside Greece who are observing this tragedy unfolding, including some forumers here who should know better, should denigrate the Greek population, the masses who have not contributed to the problem but have to face the consequences and are stigmatized as being tax dodgers, corrupt, lazy, etc.


We have the very same traitors in Cyprus and they have sold us out and are still selling us out with their Greek (Ottoman) ways within our Government throughout history.

It is about time we stop attaching ourselves to this God forsaken "mother" because it is starting to get embarrassing. And if Hellenism is so enlightened, well it doesn't appear to be so judging by the perverse racism to anything and almost everything non Greek. It's high time Cyprus stands on its own. There is nothing we can gain from Greece, other than their corruption which has caused their own decay and will cause ours in the not too distant future.

Cyprus, like all other new countries, such as the US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand et al needs to grow up fast.

And if you think it is this Hellenism that will unite us, then you are wrong. With this nonsense, all because some people want to cling on to the past, we will only guarantee a Greek and Turkish Cyprus.

Honestly Talisker, if that is who I am talking to, I thought you would understand much better being a Scott.

And you are wrong if you assume that we do not care for Greece or the plight of people.


As 'someone else' :roll: previously proclaimed:
Paphitis wrote:Those that deny our Hellenistic heritage or wish to deny us the right of expressing our views without being labelled everything under the sun, need to cease at once this Spiritual Terrorism committed against Cypriots. :evil:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus20934.html?hilit=greece


Who's that? :lol:

Having lived in an Anglo Saxon nation, I have seen first hand how a country is built.

But this is even more critical to a nation that is ethnically divided, like Cyprus.

These Hellenic hang ups are rather childish, and Cyprus needs to do something real fast. Changing the national anthem could be a small step.

Is there a coherent GC strategy to reunify Cyprus?
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Re: Greek Tragedy

Postby Get Real! » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:02 pm

Talisker wrote:As 'someone else' :roll: previously proclaimed:
Paphitis wrote:Those that deny our Hellenistic heritage or wish to deny us the right of expressing our views without being labelled everything under the sun, need to cease at once this Spiritual Terrorism committed against Cypriots. :evil:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus20934.html?hilit=greece

Paphitis is one of my converts... :lol:

Now he is trying to overthrow me! :?
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