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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:40 am

No disrepect intended to the Hellenic navy and certainly not to the skill proffesionalism and expertise of the seafarers Unfortunately the Turkish navy appears to be far larger being equipped with a large number of former American ships as well as French and German built ships, and home built copies. Some of this may well flow from Turkey being a neighbour with Russia and seen as a more in the Front line by the USA as well as being a larger customer. In the hands of The current regime and its neo ottoman imperialist policies these represent a major threat to regional peace.

Of more concern to me are the Turkish landing craft which are obviously intended for Agressive action.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby kimon07 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:56 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:No disrepect intended to the Hellenic navy .....
Unfortunately the Turkish navy appears to be far larger being equipped with a large number of former American ships as well as French and German built ships, and home built copies.


Not far larger, but quite larger for the time being, being strangthened and modernized continuoussly unlike the HN which remains as it was in 2005.

In the hands of The current regime and its neo ottoman imperialist policies these represent a major threat to regional peace.


Correct. And that is exactly why Israel is so keen to team up with Greece. The combination of the two navies (the Greek being far larger than that of Israel) and of the two airforces forms a formidable power in the East Med., not easily matched.

Of more concern to ......
Greece [/quote]
are the Turkish landing craft which are obviously intended for
Aegean
action.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:03 am

kimon07 wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:No disrepect intended to the Hellenic navy .....
Unfortunately the Turkish navy appears to be far larger being equipped with a large number of former American ships as well as French and German built ships, and home built copies.


Not far larger, but quite larger for the time being, being strangthened and modernized continuoussly unlike the HN which remains as it was in 2005.

In the hands of The current regime and its neo ottoman imperialist policies these represent a major threat to regional peace.


Correct. And that is exactly why Israel is so keen to team up with Greece. The combination of the two navies (the Greek being far larger than that of Israel) and of the two airforces forms a formidable power in the East Med., not easily matched.

Of more concern to ......
Greece
are the Turkish landing craft which are obviously intended for
Aegean
action.
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Don't forget the threat they pose to Cyprus, too.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby kimon07 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:56 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:No disrepect intended to the Hellenic navy .....
Unfortunately the Turkish navy appears to be far larger being equipped with a large number of former American ships as well as French and German built ships, and home built copies.


Not far larger, but quite larger for the time being, being strangthened and modernized continuoussly unlike the HN which remains as it was in 2005.

Of more concern to ......
Greece
are the Turkish landing craft which are obviously intended for
the Aegean

Don't forget the threat they pose to Cyprus, too.


I don't think they need landing crafts for Cyprus any more. Having the controll of harbors and airports they can bring troops in with transport or passenger ships and they can fly them in. Besides, how many more troops can they pile up on such a small place? 2000-5000 more? Easy job if not stopped from the air and from the see.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:31 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:No disrepect intended to the Hellenic navy and certainly not to the skill proffesionalism and expertise of the seafarers Unfortunately the Turkish navy appears to be far larger being equipped with a large number of former American ships as well as French and German built ships, and home built copies. Some of this may well flow from Turkey being a neighbour with Russia and seen as a more in the Front line by the USA as well as being a larger customer. In the hands of The current regime and its neo ottoman imperialist policies these represent a major threat to regional peace.

Of more concern to me are the Turkish landing craft which are obviously intended for Agressive action.


The Hellenic navy has far greater capacity and capability although I have not been keeping track the last 2 years or so.

Certainly, they seem to have the upper hand in the Aegean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ac ... Navy_ships

As to Landing Craft, just 2-3 submarines can sort that out and Greece has one of the most advance Submarine Fleets in the world.

http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/gr ... abilities/

The mentality of Turkey having the upper hand must go.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby Get Real! » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:19 pm

Who gives a shit about the Greek navy?

You might as well be talking about the Korean or the Panamanian navy for all we care and for all the relevance it has to Cyprus!

When will you fools wake up?
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:42 pm

Paphitis wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:No disrepect intended to the Hellenic navy and certainly not to the skill proffesionalism and expertise of the seafarers Unfortunately the Turkish navy appears to be far larger being equipped with a large number of former American ships as well as French and German built ships, and home built copies. Some of this may well flow from Turkey being a neighbour with Russia and seen as a more in the Front line by the USA as well as being a larger customer. In the hands of The current regime and its neo ottoman imperialist policies these represent a major threat to regional peace.

Of more concern to me are the Turkish landing craft which are obviously intended for Agressive action.


The Hellenic navy has far greater capacity and capability although I have not been keeping track the last 2 years or so.

Certainly, they seem to have the upper hand in the Aegean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ac ... Navy_ships

As to Landing Craft, just 2-3 submarines can sort that out and Greece has one of the most advance Submarine Fleets in the world.

http://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/gr ... abilities/

The mentality of Turkey having the upper hand must go.

A former RN submariner told me the term used for any surface ship was target. However Turkey has 14 similar type 209 Submarines and must thus arguably also be considered as having one of the most advanced Submarine Fleets in the World, with a numerical superiority over Greece. We should not therefore underestimate the potential capability of the Turkish navy.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:43 pm

Never mind direct comparisons between Greece and Turkey. We're in the EU now and the sole reason for entering is that our capabilities have increased many-fold. The EU was formulated so that Europe may never face war again, among its members, and this has not been tested yet. Turkey's verbal threats are likely to stay as such as for the first time, threatening Greece with anything more than rhetoric, means she will face 500 Million, not 10 Million!
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby Paphitis » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:59 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Never mind direct comparisons between Greece and Turkey. We're in the EU now and the sole reason for entering is that our capabilities have increased many-fold. The EU was formulated so that Europe may never face war again, among its members, and this has not been tested yet. Turkey's verbal threats are likely to stay as such as for the first time, threatening Greece with anything more than rhetoric, means she will face 500 Million, not 10 Million!


You mean NATO was formulated to deal with European threats!

I doubt the EU can do anything more than chase its own tail and regulate every citizens breath and the size of your Angouria if to be taken to market!
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby kimon07 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:27 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Never mind direct comparisons between Greece and Turkey. We're in the EU now and the sole reason for entering is that our capabilities have increased many-fold. The EU was formulated so that Europe may never face war again, among its members, and this has not been tested yet. Turkey's verbal threats are likely to stay as such as for the first time, threatening Greece with anything more than rhetoric, means she will face 500 Million, not 10 Million!

I am afraid you give the EU more credit than it diserves. What did they do during the Imia crisis? What do they do or say in respect to the occupation of 40% of an EU state by Turkey? Nothing. They keep opening accession negotiation chapters with it.
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