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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:55 pm

Does Get Real! seriously think the Turks will work for us and pipe our hydrocarbons to Europe? Or simply help themselves to our resources? What has his 'non-Greek gymnasium' schooling taught him, I wonder? :roll:
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:40 am

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Kikapu wrote:The other way to transport the Gas from Cyprus to the EU, would be to fill durable bags the size of football fields with as much gas as possible, have about 10-20 of these bags connected to each other like train cars which would be about a mile long, either bouncing along on the sea surface or flying like many kites, and have one tugboat pull it to any seaport in the EU. You will need thousands of these bags and hundreds of tugboats, which the tugboats could be made to run on NG and using gas from one of the bags to supply it's need. This will be easier and cheaper to send the gas to any market it wants it directly without having to pay a toll charge to whichever country the gas will transit through until it gets to its final destination. No need for expensive pipes under the sea or expensive LPG plant in Cyprus. To those countries that are landlocked like Switzerland, then we will get ours from Italy, the closest seaport to us and just pay one toll charge to the Italians, rather than pay several countries if it comes from Turkey for example! :?:


Hmm - not exactly very safe.


Why isn't it safe.?


windage for start:wind can be bad enough on ships to affect their steering: Large light objects floating either in the air or rather on the water (natural gas is denser then air) will be blown about by the slightest breeze: anything like a decent force 4 and the wind pressure will be massive, causing extreme problems for the towing vessel. ltiply the problems, many fold.
Bearing in mind the masses involved one will need a lot of towing power.

That is without the Hindenburg factor. In its liquid form the gas is a lot safer.

I suspect it really is cheaper/safer to compress and/or liquify the gas and put the same mass in a smaller volumeon easier controllable ship than try to tow large and pretty uncontrolable ballons about the sea.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby kurupetos » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:54 am

Next stupid 'solution'...
I'm ready for more laughs. :lol:
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:02 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Does Get Real! seriously think the Turks will work for us and pipe our hydrocarbons to Europe? Or simply help themselves to our resources? What has his 'non-Greek gymnasium' schooling taught him, I wonder? :roll:

Given that you’re all convinced that a military solution is out of the question and that the corrupt US-run UN is hopeless in applying international law, then what are we left with to liberate Cyprus if not a cunning geopolitical plan?

Well Cyprus may well be in a position soon to wield such power if gas/oil expectations come to pass, and would be in a position to make Turkey’s dream of being the European gas/oil supplier come true in return for her enslaved territory.

Needless to say that the details of such a plan are worthy of a dedicated thread.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:04 am

Just as a time-saver... have any of you scabby lot found anything about the technical diffs of pumping any gas to mainland Greece from CY through a pipe-line?

Tremendously challenging in some thousands of meters of water, though rough sea-bed terrain, underwater mounts and hills, crevices and chasms etc etc. ( just as diff as the "plan" to pipe water from Turkey to the Occupied Areas ? )

Would have thought the determining factor is the nature of the already available infrastructure at the receiving ends, in the ports of the market, which is for LPG carried in specialist ships.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby kurupetos » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:16 am

bill cobbett wrote:Just as a time-saver... have any of you scabby lot found anything about the technical diffs of pumping any gas to mainland Greece from CY through a pipe-line?

Tremendously challenging in some thousands of meters of water, though rough sea-bed terrain, underwater mounts and hills, crevices and chasms etc etc. ( just as diff as the "plan" to pipe water from Turkey to the Occupied Areas ? )

Would have thought the determining factor is the nature of the already available infrastructure at the receiving ends, in the ports of the market, which is for LPG carried in specialist ships.

Are you familiar with the undersea pipeline from Norway to the UK? :lol:
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:20 am

The options are many.
Could convert the gas to electricity in Cyprus then use submarine power cables to distribute. Or, use ships powered by the gas to deliver to Kalamata or Nauplion and then convert to electricity there to distribute as per usual.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:28 am

kurupetos wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Just as a time-saver... have any of you scabby lot found anything about the technical diffs of pumping any gas to mainland Greece from CY through a pipe-line?

Tremendously challenging in some thousands of meters of water, though rough sea-bed terrain, underwater mounts and hills, crevices and chasms etc etc. ( just as diff as the "plan" to pipe water from Turkey to the Occupied Areas ? )

Would have thought the determining factor is the nature of the already available infrastructure at the receiving ends, in the ports of the market, which is for LPG carried in specialist ships.

Are you familiar with the undersea pipeline from Norway to the UK? :lol:
Here's a link: http://www.yourdiscovery.com/machines_a ... ndex.shtml


Look reh Toffoui ... am very familiar that the North Sea is filled with pipe-lines ... but it's 100m of water at deepest .... not blooming 2000m...!!!!!
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:30 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:The options are many.
Could convert the gas to electricity in Cyprus then use submarine power cables to distribute. Or, use ships powered by the gas to deliver to Kalamata or Nauplion and then convert to electricity there to distribute as per usual.


Erm... don't think more power stations on CY would go down too well.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby kurupetos » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:36 am

bill cobbett wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Just as a time-saver... have any of you scabby lot found anything about the technical diffs of pumping any gas to mainland Greece from CY through a pipe-line?

Tremendously challenging in some thousands of meters of water, though rough sea-bed terrain, underwater mounts and hills, crevices and chasms etc etc. ( just as diff as the "plan" to pipe water from Turkey to the Occupied Areas ? )

Would have thought the determining factor is the nature of the already available infrastructure at the receiving ends, in the ports of the market, which is for LPG carried in specialist ships.

Are you familiar with the undersea pipeline from Norway to the UK? :lol:
Here's a link: http://www.yourdiscovery.com/machines_a ... ndex.shtml


Look reh Toffoui ... am very familiar that the North Sea is filled with pipe-lines ... but it's 100m of water at deepest .... not blooming 2000m...!!!!!

Re Billoui, let the engineers conduct the feasibility study and then we'll see. :wink:
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