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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:39 am

kurupetos wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
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bill cobbett wrote:Just as a time-saver... have any of you scabby lot found anything about the technical diffs of pumping any gas to mainland Greece from CY through a pipe-line?

Tremendously challenging in some thousands of meters of water, though rough sea-bed terrain, underwater mounts and hills, crevices and chasms etc etc. ( just as diff as the "plan" to pipe water from Turkey to the Occupied Areas ? )

Would have thought the determining factor is the nature of the already available infrastructure at the receiving ends, in the ports of the market, which is for LPG carried in specialist ships.

Are you familiar with the undersea pipeline from Norway to the UK? :lol:
Here's a link: http://www.yourdiscovery.com/machines_a ... ndex.shtml


Look reh Toffoui ... am very familiar that the North Sea is filled with pipe-lines ... but it's 100m of water at deepest .... not blooming 2000m...!!!!!

Re Billoui, let the engineers conduct the feasibility study and then we'll see. :wink:


What feasibility study? Are you seeing oneira? What have you heard? Understand that it is to be an LPG plant on CY at Vassilikos????
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:47 am

On this subject the following is a must read for the latest news on this...

It includes this para...

The Leviathan field is the largest natural gas find anywhere in the world over the past decade. But Noble Energy and Delek's plans extend beyond Leviathan and even Israel's borders. At the center of their plans is the desire to build a liquefied natural gas terminal south of Cyprus. The terminal would take in gas, not only from Leviathan but also the Aphrodite field south of the island, yet to undergo exploration, as well as Cyprus's Block 12 field, which is just 33 kilometers northwest of Leviathan. Preliminary results of the Block 12 drilling are expected to be published later this week at an analysts' conference and leaks from the survey suggest that they will show that Block 12 is similar in size to Leviathan.

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/ ... 5&fid=1724

(ooooh those last few words are worthy of a new thread)
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby kurupetos » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:49 am

bill cobbett wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Just as a time-saver... have any of you scabby lot found anything about the technical diffs of pumping any gas to mainland Greece from CY through a pipe-line?

Tremendously challenging in some thousands of meters of water, though rough sea-bed terrain, underwater mounts and hills, crevices and chasms etc etc. ( just as diff as the "plan" to pipe water from Turkey to the Occupied Areas ? )

Would have thought the determining factor is the nature of the already available infrastructure at the receiving ends, in the ports of the market, which is for LPG carried in specialist ships.

Are you familiar with the undersea pipeline from Norway to the UK? :lol:
Here's a link: http://www.yourdiscovery.com/machines_a ... ndex.shtml


Look reh Toffoui ... am very familiar that the North Sea is filled with pipe-lines ... but it's 100m of water at deepest .... not blooming 2000m...!!!!!

Re Billoui, let the engineers conduct the feasibility study and then we'll see. :wink:


What feasibility study? Are you seeing oneira? What have you heard? Understand that it is to be an LPG plant on CY at Vassilikos????

I don't think these plans are finalised.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby kurupetos » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:52 am

From BC's link, that's interesting:
The gas from both these fields is being slated for export and the preferred destination is the Far East where the highest prices can be fetched.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:54 am

kurupetos wrote:From BC's link, that's interesting:
The gas from both these fields is being slated for export and the preferred destination is the Far East where the highest prices can be fetched.
:shock:


Yes... but it's only one source ... looking for confirmations elsewhere.
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby Kikapu » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:55 am

Kikapu wrote:
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Kikapu wrote:The other way to transport the Gas from Cyprus to the EU, would be to fill durable bags the size of football fields with as much gas as possible, have about 10-20 of these bags connected to each other like train cars which would be about a mile long, either bouncing along on the sea surface or flying like many kites, and have one tugboat pull it to any seaport in the EU. You will need thousands of these bags and hundreds of tugboats, which the tugboats could be made to run on NG and using gas from one of the bags to supply it's need. This will be easier and cheaper to send the gas to any market it wants it directly without having to pay a toll charge to whichever country the gas will transit through until it gets to its final destination. No need for expensive pipes under the sea or expensive LPG plant in Cyprus. To those countries that are landlocked like Switzerland, then we will get ours from Italy, the closest seaport to us and just pay one toll charge to the Italians, rather than pay several countries if it comes from Turkey for example! :?:


Hmm - not exactly very safe.


Why isn't it safe.?


supporttheunderdog wrote:windage for start:wind can be bad enough on ships to affect their steering: Large light objects floating either in the air or rather on the water (natural gas is denser then air) will be blown about by the slightest breeze: anything like a decent force 4 and the wind pressure will be massive, causing extreme problems for the towing vessel. ltiply the problems, many fold.
Bearing in mind the masses involved one will need a lot of towing power.


If a storm brews up, then the tugboat can throw a large anchor overboard with the the Gas bags attached to it to take of the load off the tugboat until the storm clears up. Tugboats can tow heavy ships and barges in all kinds of conditions, therefore, it shouldn't be problem towing relatively light Gas bags in Force 4 winds or higher.

supporttheunderdog wrote:That is without the Hindenburg factor. In its liquid form the gas is a lot safer.


No need for a Hindenburg factor, unless hit by a lightning, and even then, it will only effect the Gas bag hit by it and not the rest.

supporttheunderdog wrote:I suspect it really is cheaper/safer to compress and/or liquify the gas and put the same mass in a smaller volumeon easier controllable ship than try to tow large and pretty uncontrolable ballons about the sea.


Except ships are expensive to build and operate, not to mention turning Gas into liquid form, which would require electricity and expensive plant for the conversion, storage and transportation. The Gas bags can be filed and set on their way directly from the platforms at sea.

Besides, I want to be one of those Tugboat "drivers"! :wink:
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby Get Real! » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:00 am

Kikapu wrote:Besides, I want to be one of those Tugboat "drivers"! :wink:

At least we won’t have to worry about you getting struck by one of those gas bags while enjoying your recreational boat! You'll be whacking others! :lol:
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby Kikapu » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:04 am

Get Real! wrote:
Kikapu wrote:Besides, I want to be one of those Tugboat "drivers"! :wink:

At least we won’t have to worry about you getting struck by one of those gas bags while enjoying your recreational boat! You'll be whacking others! :lol:


Always looking after No.1! :lol:
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:05 am

bill cobbett wrote:
kurupetos wrote:From BC's link, that's interesting:
The gas from both these fields is being slated for export and the preferred destination is the Far East where the highest prices can be fetched.
:shock:


Yes... but it's only one source ... looking for confirmations elsewhere.


The source of the story appears to be the Middle East Economic Survey, but it's a subscriber only read... :x
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Re: Cyprus – Finally, energy security for the EU.

Postby kurupetos » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:12 am

bill cobbett wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
kurupetos wrote:From BC's link, that's interesting:
The gas from both these fields is being slated for export and the preferred destination is the Far East where the highest prices can be fetched.
:shock:


Yes... but it's only one source ... looking for confirmations elsewhere.


The source of the story appears to be the Middle East Economic Survey, but it's a subscriber only read... :x

Let's suppose the above is true. The question is HOW will it be transported to Russia/China? :? I think it's rubbish. :wink:
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