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Postby michalis5354 » Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:43 pm

The solution of the problem is a 4 way process. It does not depend solely on Turkey but on the other 4 sides. Even If Turkey show willingness to solve the problem the problem can not be solved as long as the other 3 sides do not show willingness or good motives to compromise to arrive at a REALISTIC solution.

I believe that Turkey at the last negotiations showed a desire to solve the problem. You have wrongly interpreted the UN plan as a partition plan.Moving from an independent state to the UN plan is a significant change !

If Turkey did not want to solve the problem it would very clearly reject to negotiate. You can not always accuse Turkey and on the other hand fail to observe the wrongdoings of other sides! Turkey had make many compromises to change her attitude from a complete independent state to the UN plan.

I would go further and say that the COST That you are referring to be expanded to cover the other 3 sides if we expect a solution soon and not far far in the long term.

Regarding the North Ireland statues this is not an international dispute or problem as it is the case in cyprus.
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Postby ilker001 » Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:12 pm

Hi Im new member. Im from Turkey. I dont know english very well. Im following Turkey and Eu relation in presses. In my opinion Turkey should be memeber in European Union. Maybe you have not came to Turkey. Maybe you have not seen to Turkey. Turkey is modern , laic and democrat country and many people want to join to the EU in the Turkey. I am not say Turkey should be member in European Union now. I know that Turkey is not ready to join to the EU now. but maybe 10 years later Turkey will join to the European Union. I believe this.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Sep 05, 2004 9:21 pm

Ilker, unlike other europeans, our biggest (by far) problem with Turkey is that Turkey occupies part of our country.

Maybe Turkey is becoming more European in all other respects, but what we care about and above all is that the Turkish occupation of Cyprus should end before Turkey enters in the EU.
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Postby Gokhan » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:30 am

hi everyone,

First i would like to introduce myself; i am 100% Turkish. And reside in the U.S. for the last 5 years and i would like to say that Greek People are really nice people just like people from any other country. I felt really bad after i realized that because all my life i thought and was tought that they were bad people. I feel lucky to see things better outside Turkey. I don't wanna make it too long but i would like to admitt that i made great great friends from Greece and Cyprus. They always treated me nice. i dont how i would react if i were in their place. To make it more clear. No body knows why Turkey occupied half of Cyprus in 1974 and that the Cpriots are innocent people that had nothing against Turkish people if nothing had happened.
i am 100% sure if what happened to greeks happened to us we would have acted worst. dont think that i on greece side but i understand them because i put myself in their place. i think turkish politician should do the same thing. I still think we had problems during world war 1 and 2 but this invasion happened way after the war was over so ti just doesnt make any sense.
and if cyprus is the only reason thats keeping us from being friends...then i would say forgive us and keep your land. i dont think you will kick my people out just because it is yours. like i said Greeks are nice people who r nice to them.
what good is turkish part of cyprus to turkey anyway.

i respect all my brothers here but i hope i would be helpfull to show the real picture.

peace...

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Postby brother » Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:52 am

Gokhan your arrogant statement is a slap in the face for many people and if that is the case what good is southern turkey just give it to the kurds its there land.

I am all for peace but your statements are utter b******s coming from an obviously uneducated person with no respect for human rights(turkeys biggest downfall)

So if we are going to play like that then next year lets give istanbul(constinopel-real name) back to the greeks its there land and should get it back.

CYPRUS IS A CYPRIOT ISLAND WHICH HAS HAD A GREEK AND TURKISH PRESENCE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO BUT AS YOU ARE IN THE GIVING MOOD TURKEY CAN COMPENSATE ALL THE CYPRIOTS IT HAS CHEATED AND THEN YES IT CAN F**K OFF OUR ISLAND.
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Postby iskismet » Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:43 pm

Brother - You call that an educated answer, and you are in a position to know better. Come on, you can do better than that.
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Postby michalis5354 » Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:56 am

Gokhan wrote:hi everyone,

First i would like to introduce myself; i am 100% Turkish. And reside in the U.S. for the last 5 years and i would like to say that Greek People are really nice people just like people from any other country. I felt really bad after i realized that because all my life i thought and was tought that they were bad people. I feel lucky to see things better outside Turkey. I don't wanna make it too long but i would like to admitt that i made great great friends from Greece and Cyprus. They always treated me nice. i dont how i would react if i were in their place. To make it more clear. No body knows why Turkey occupied half of Cyprus in 1974 and that the Cpriots are innocent people that had nothing against Turkish people if nothing had happened.
i am 100% sure if what happened to greeks happened to us we would have acted worst. dont think that i on greece side but i understand them because i put myself in their place. i think turkish politician should do the same thing. I still think we had problems during world war 1 and 2 but this invasion happened way after the war was over so ti just doesnt make any sense.
and if cyprus is the only reason thats keeping us from being friends...then i would say forgive us and keep your land. i dont think you will kick my people out just because it is yours. like i said Greeks are nice people who r nice to them.
what good is turkish part of cyprus to turkey anyway.

i respect all my brothers here but i hope i would be helpfull to show the real picture.

peace...

G


Welcome Gokham to our Forum, this is a very good example you had given to those that think the opposite or they take one event that happened in the past and make readiculous conclusions . I also met many nice turkish people when I was abroad. It is true when you go abroad you start to realise how stupid is this perception that is happening . A.Einstein said" two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and I am not sure about the former."

Anyway Iam very happy to meet you ,
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Postby brother » Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:17 pm

hi iskamet,
but what outrageous comments we all want peace but selling us down the river deserves an answer like that.

But for his benefit all lands that belong to GC should be returned without question but it is not just their island it is our island as well and should show respect to that, we all want turkey to leave our island but his i am o.k jack and forget the rest is a horrible statement.
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Postby iskismet » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:32 pm

I think you are misinterpreting his/her comments.
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Postby iskismet » Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:38 pm

I don't believe your 'we all want Turkey to leave our land'.

I've spoken to TCs in the last few weeks and that is not the impression I get.

One well respected (depends which side you are on!) politician said to me that he was not able to trust the GCs (he lost his father to them in 1964), and that fear continues to this day.

Maybe it depends who you mix with? But I can sympathise with him and his family.

The GCs still insist in calling the TCs barbarians - I'd be surprised if you were happy with that.
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