Turkey an EU member?
 Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:43 am |
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| The GCs still insist in calling the TCs barbarians - I'd be surprised if you were happy with that. |
A sweeping generalisation if I may say so.
I have met a few TC's and I didn't have that impression at all. Infact, if i didn't know better, I would not have known they were any different to me.
However, do you know what the Turkish army was doing to innocent civilians during the 1974 invasion? Mass rapes and gang rapes of women, 6000 people dead, 1500 still not accounted for etc.
What the Turks from Turkey did to Cyprus was far in excess to what happened between the communities since the troubles began.
Is it any wonder that many GC's don't trust the Turks? Can you see this from both viewpoints? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:31 am |
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| metecyp |
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What the Turks from Turkey did to Cyprus was far in excess to what happened between the communities since the troubles began.
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I agree but I don't think the expression "Turks from Turkey" is appropriate here. It would be more appropriate to say "Turkish soldiers". There are horrible things happenning right now in Iraq and these are committed by American soldiers and nobody thinks that Americans in general are of that nature. You talk about generalizations but you're doing the same thing here.
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Is it any wonder that many GC's don't trust the Turks? Can you see this from both viewpoints?
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I don't blame GCs for not trusting the Turks but your fears are correctable. Turkish army will eventually leave the island..how are we going to fix the mistrust that TCs have towards GCs? Or are these fears completely baseless as some of you claim? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:03 pm |
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| iskismet |
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Mikkie, this is not intended as a criticism but try to think beyond numbers of dead otherwise we all get into arguments like how many of those 6000 were killed by their own people.
Try to think 'lets remove references to Barbarians', let's remove the signs that greet travellers from the north - lets start a spirit of reconciliation.
Can you see what I am getting at? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:23 pm |
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Try to think 'lets remove references to Barbarians', let's remove the signs that greet travellers from the north - lets start a spirit of reconciliation.
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I agree. It's time to move on but the typical response you would get is this: "There can't be no reconciliation with 36% of the island being occupied by 40.000 soldiers and 100.000 settlers. Remove them all and come back to the RC and we'll talk about the reconciliation." |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:44 pm |
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| Which if true, means partition. And there are a large number of people out there who would be happy with that. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:04 pm |
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| Piratis |
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| I agree. It's time to move on but the typical response you would get is this: "There can't be no reconciliation with 36% of the island being occupied by 40.000 soldiers and 100.000 settlers. Remove them all and come back to the RC and we'll talk about the reconciliation." |
So what is "move on" according to you? Forget that our land is stolen?
We are at war, and what we have is a cease fire situation. If by "moving on" you mean that we have to surrender and accept the results of the illegal invasion, then this is something that will never happen.
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| Which if true, means partition. |
Partition is what we have for the last 30 years already. We loose from partition, and it should be made clear that nobody will win. Either we both win, either we both loose. So it would be better to start looking for a solution that both communities will win, and stop trying to win on the expense of others because nobody will win in this way. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:16 am |
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| Precisely - which means partition, there is no other answer. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:51 am |
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So what is "move on" according to you? Forget that our land is stolen?
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What I meant by "move on" is this. Instead of complaining about 40.000 soldiers day and night, think about the incidents and especially the mentality that gave them an excuse to come to Cyprus. Instead of complaining about settlers and asking every single of them including their children to leave, give me suggestions how to handle this in a humane and agreeable manner. Instead of talking about the stolen land and how TCs are thieves and so on, give me suggestions about how to have a federal Cyprus with two federal states with the minimum harm to the property rights of the people...and the list goes on.
Let's talk about something that might be agreeable to both sides now rather than complaining, putting all of the blame on the other side and hoping for a European solution in fifty years. That's what I mean by "move on" but if you want to stay and complain, go ahead. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:08 am |
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| Yes Metecyp, that is the way I see it. What about you Piratis, is there any merit in this approach do you think? |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:44 pm |
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| michalis5354 |
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| The GCs still insist in calling the TCs barbarians - I'd be surprised if you were happy with that |
Ha ha. really? How will you move on If you believe in such an utopia! |
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