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Do you trust Papadopoulos?

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Do you trust Papadopoulos?

Poll ended at Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:24 pm

Yes
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33%
No
2
67%
 
Total votes : 3

Postby Piratis » Sat Aug 07, 2004 11:28 am

I never said anything about killing or threatening him.

Anastasiades was forced to "change" in a democratic way by Cypriots. Of course he didn't really change, but thats another story. At least his actions are not as harmful anymore.
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Postby michalis5354 » Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:07 pm

MicAtCyp wrote:
Michalis5354 wrote: The UN plan was an excellent framework for an agreement

According to your opinion of course. With which 3 out of 4 GCs disagree!
Michalis5354 wrote: Thats the reasons all his predictions went wrong?

Like which? Sorry but you are full of generalisations my friend.
Michalis5354 wrote: He needs to state his strategy because this is democracy he is
acountable to the people

Sue him !!!!


The topic here is whether you trust Papadopoulos or not? And I asked many times here to state his Plans or Policies to get a greater understanding on his plans! The fact that many people are anaware on his actions and plans this means a lot!
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:07 pm

The worse form of fascism is for the majority to gag the minority. Papadopoulos did this the night prior to referendum day and this but just one example. He took ALL the available time, the last 3 crucial hours of the campaign and he engaged ALL tv stations. He was interviewed by friendly so called reporters who danced to his tune, but according to your perverted notion this is democracy.

Another fact: the remnants of the unrependant supporters of EOKA B and all the well known extreme right wings elements of our society voted "NO" and if it makes you happy to be in the same boat with these people then good luck to you.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:10 pm

Anastasiades Vasiliou Markedes and the other "yes" supporters got way more than the proportionate time they deserved. In other democratic countries people like Vassiliou with its 2% would not have a voice at all.

This is why Cyprus is one of the most democratic countries. Because it gives voice to everybody.

But did you expect your 24% voice to be louder than then 3x more 76% voice of the "no" supporters? Democracy for you means to shut the mouth of some people so a minority will be heard more than its proportion?

Everything was done in the most democratic way possible. What hurts you, and makes you cry, is that your opinion is a minority opinion that most Greek Cypriots rejected. Deal with it. If it helps you to cry about it, I understand. Get well soon.
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:49 pm

Once again you are absolutely clueless. I am talking about the period before the referendum, before the final percentages were formulated by the highjacking of the radio and tv waves by the crying president. It is an honour to be part of the minority and if you knew any greek history you would have known that the minority opinion was vindicated on many occasions and further more, there is nothing undemocratic for the minority to try to win the public opinion. Your idea of democracy is always found wanting, no doubt the TC,s in this forum are dead scare by people like you but of course in real life paper tigers are there to be loughed at. You are constantly alienating the moderate TC,s of this forum and hiding behind dubious democratic principle you foolishly think that we can win their confidence back.

By the way, read the interview of the Dutch Ambassador in "Phileleftheros". It will firmly ground you and all those liars that promised a "european solution" to the cyprob.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:02 am

The percentages were formed long long time before the speech of the president. In the end, after all those threads from the Americans and the traitors the "yes" supporters managed to win a 24% "yes" vote.

I don't have any problem with you having a minority opinion. My problem is that you side with the enemy. There is nothing honorable to be a traitor, you should be ashamed for this.

There is nothing dubious about democracy. Obviously you are not a democrat so you can not understand what democracy means, but this is not my problem.
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Postby mehmet » Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:30 am

[quote="Piratis"]My problem is that you side with the enemy. There is nothing honorable to be a traitor, you should be ashamed for this.

Which enemies are we talking about this time?

The ones you have to make peace with?

Why don't you line up all your friends and enemies for us all to see, it gets increasingly hard to follow your point of view. Help us to see more clearly your view of the world.
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:07 am

Good point. I am willing to take a bet that most of his (imaginary) enemies are our stakehoders in the EU. Greece included, didn't Greece advise us to accept the A plan (with the exception of the stalinist communist party)? I suppose its ok for Piratis to be making such reticulous statements, what worries me is that he is reflecting some of the arguments of the high echelons of the government, even if they represent the most chauvinist and nationalist views in our society. Of course, their bubble will burst, as soon as the people realise the lies they told them and the promises will never materialise. By then, it will probably be too late for Cyprus, but at least I have my conscience at peace. I never voted Papadopoulos into office. This last piece was told to me last night my an AKEL friend of mine who is a member of the central committee of the party; "I have to live with my conscience, and its not easy" he said.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:04 pm

Which enemies are we talking about this time?

The ones you have to make peace with?


We will make peace with when they stop occupying our country.

And no, I a not including Greece or EU in our enemies! Greece said that any result from the referendum will be respected. Thats what you should accept too.

The lies where told by Cleredes, who was telling people about all refugees returning to their homes, all Turkish troops out of Cyprus etc, and at the same time he was working for the Annan plan. Thats not just lies, thats treason. Because he got elected by promising different things than the ones he worked for.

Papadopoulos said no lies. He does exactly what we, the ones who voted for him, expected him to do. We are perfectly satisfied with his presidency so far.
The ones that complain about Papadopoulos are the ones that had never voted for him, like Bananiot. Thankfully, Papadopoulos doesn't need those people to get elected, because he has us, the majority of Greek Cypriots on his side.
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Postby Chrisswirl » Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:20 am

Papadopoulos is well within his right to be against the Annan plan, its principles or anything within it. However, in my oppinion he didn't make a big enough effort, as far as I can see, to negotiate freely with the Turkish Cypriot side and thus the solution became worse for Greeks, which I am beginning to think was his plan all along, so that Greeks wouldn't vote for it. I am all for the Annan Plan, but I do think that there is no place for foreign troops in Cyprus (the British is another matter which I won't go into!).

My answer would be "no", but if you asked me whether I trusted Denktash I would also say "no".
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