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Do you trust Papadopoulos?

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Do you trust Papadopoulos?

Postby michalis5354 » Wed Aug 04, 2004 5:55 pm

So Where do we go now? After the referendums Papadopoulos ought to tell precisely what his action will be regarding the Cyprus issue.Is he really interested to find a solution? If yes why does not tell the people on his plan lets call it Papadopoulos plan! Anyone should have expected after the rejection of the UN plan to have an alternative plan to propose! Where is this?

He is behaving like a queen! Like the queen of UK! :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:22 pm

The Annan plan was rejected, not because there is an alternative, but simply because it was a bad plan that would bring more problems than the ones it would solve.

I trust Papadopoulos that he will not sell us to the AngloAmericans, and that he will try to achieve an acceptable solution.

This is not an easy task, and this is proved by the fact that nobody until today has managed to find a solution that will be acceptable by all parties. So wait to judge Papadopoulos at the end of his term, and don't expect from him to achieve in 3 months what others didn't manage to achieve for 30 years.
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Postby michalis5354 » Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:44 pm

The Annan plan was rejected, not because there is an alternative, but simply because it was a bad plan that would bring more problems than the ones it would solve.


I thought Cyprus problem was a Cyprus problem and not Americans or British problem. Of course after rejecting a plan He ought to tell what are his plans Ie uniting or dividing the country? This is why he has been elected . This is democracy to take actions to solve problems not to perpetuate them.

I trust Papadopoulos that he will not sell us to the AngloAmericans, and that he will try to achieve an acceptable solution.


No I do not trust him at all and I am not the only one ! Again on Conspiracy theories. This is a very easy argument :Blaming the Americans of all our mistakes and stupidities. Nobody will take seriously such arguments.
He will try to achieve an acceptable solution HOW? Without taking actions? By sleeping all day ? By manipulating the public? What policies he will use to achieve the acceptable solution? Against all aggreements ? There are aggreement that we accepted in 1977 and the solution should be based on these aggreements.



This is not an easy task, and this is proved by the fact that nobody until today has managed to find a solution that will be acceptable by all parties. So wait to judge Papadopoulos at the end of his term, and don't expect from him to achieve in 3 months what others didn't manage to achieve for 30 years


Ohh yes this is not an easy task? Why is he being elected! To sit relax and take life easy! If he is not capable then he must resign and let other more experienced for such position. This is a very easy answer you know : Where is his plans again?
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Postby Bananiot » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:14 pm

Papadopoulos HAS SOLVED the cyprus problem. He did so on April 24. Until then, this aging hard liner had rejected every single plan that was placed in fron of us since 1959. This time, however, by rejecting the A plan while promising the GC,s a better, european solution, if we rejected the A plan, Papadopoulos has dealt a deadly blow to Cyprus. He is responsible for the partition of our island and this is the bitter truth no matter how much it hurts. Or does it? I heard so many people, off record, claim that the present situation is miles better than a compromise solution.

He solved the cyprus issue mainly by absolving Turkey of all responsibilities and thus turning the tables in such a way that the international community is now absoluteley sure that the GC side is the intransigent one, the one that allowed history to by pass us, according to Simitis.

Piratis seems to think that all Papadopoulos needs is 2-3 more years in order to deliver. Which door is he going to knock? The american, the british, or the anglo american controlled institutions such as the EU and the UN? At best, they will tell him to accept the A plan, but of course, being a true patriot he will reject this outrage and will sell us his usual legalistic jargon, but in the meantime we might as well begin to get accustom to the partition and try to make something of our lives.

Oh yes, this patriot will not sell Cyprus to the angloamericans. He has however presented the north to Turkey in a plate but of course, he remains the President of the south and he will not be demoted to a muhtar of the GC constituent state. That is a private battle won and this is more important than the solution which can wait ...
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Postby Piratis » Wed Aug 04, 2004 11:25 pm

In Cyprus we have elections every 5 years. I didn't trust Cleredes, but he got elected twice. Thats how democracy works, you have to accept the results of the elections and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

Cleredes was a president until his mid 80s. I am sure he was wearing pampers! He just knew how to say stupid jokes and he had no clue what was going on in the government - everything was left on the auto-pilot.
You are right, we can not blame everything on the foreigners when we had Cleredes an 85 year old with arteriosclerosis negotiating the Cyprus problem. No wonder we ended up with the Annan plan when that puppet of the Americans was ruling Cyprus for 10 years.

Now you can cry as much as you want, but it will not help. You lost the power and you are not going to see it again for long long time.
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Postby Bananiot » Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:36 am

Spare us your lesson on democracy and at least make an attempt to stick to the topic which, if I recollect correctly, is on whether Papadopoulos can be trusted. Obviously, you thought the topic was "can Klerides be trusted", but it doesn't matter, we can forgive your sporadic lapse of concentration. It could happen to the very best.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:44 am

we can forgive your sporadic lapse of concentration. It could happen to the very best.


It happens to you all the time. In just about any thread, no matter the topic, you accuse Papadopoulos. It is obvious that your lack of concentration is permanent.

I referred to Cleredes as a comparison. Why? Because the people that accuse Papadopoulos today either voted for Cleredes, either they would vote for him instead of Papadopoulos if we had a second round.

As I said many times I am not fanatic supporter of anybody. But considering the choices we had, Papadopoulos was WAY better and can be trusted WAY more than any of the other candidates and especially his main opponent Cleredes.
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Postby Bananiot » Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:13 am

I have never accused Papadopoulos. I am merely stating facts. If you think that facts are accusations that is another problem. For example, I wrote that he rejected every single peace plan since 1959. I wrote that he promised a better, european solution to the cyprob, in his endeavour to secure the massive 76% "no" vote. I said that he was the vice leader of Akritas. Do you really believe that these are accusations? Perhaps, you confuse the word with critisism but if you, a super democratic person, who never misses an opportunity to lecture on the virtues of democracy, think that our democratically elected leaders are beyond critism, then your notion of democracy be may found wanting.

We can talk about Klerides if you would care to start a thread. You may be surprised how much critism I will dish out for this much respected by me politician.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:55 am

I have never accused Papadopoulos

Why don't you put his as your signature?

I am merely stating facts. If you think that facts are accusations that is another problem.

No. You take some facts, and then you make accusations.

One example:

Fact: Papdopoulos rejected the Annan plan
Your accusation: He is responsible for the partition of our island.
The truth: Others are responsible. Turkey, US/UK and people who now belong to DISI. Papadopoulos merely tries to save what he found after 15 years of Vasiliou-Cleredes policies that brought us the Annan partition plan.

Perhaps, you confuse the word with critisism but if you, a super democratic person, who never misses an opportunity to lecture on the virtues of democracy, think that our democratically elected leaders are beyond critism, then your notion of democracy be may found wanting.

You can criticize and accuse him as much as you want. No problem. Just remember who you are, and that the majority of Greek Cypriots know now better than ever the treason you were cooking for ages, and they will never again give you the chance to get back to power and apply your evil partition plans to serve your masters.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:01 pm

Michalis5354 wrote: After the referendums Papadopoulos ought to tell precisely what his action will be regarding the Cyprus issue


It is ridiculus to even ask a player to reveal you his course of action. Do you know some chess? By the time a player reveals his stragedy the game is lost. Don't listen to Anastasiades he is just a puppet of foreign centers. He asks for the strategy for specific reasons. . . .

Did the previous Presedents ever told you what their plans were? They just told you their targets: All the refugess back, return of all settlers back to Turkey, a bizonal Federation, a fully dimilitarised Cyprus without intervention rights, (how about the British bases? ) , S - 300 missiles, blah, blah, blah, all proved to be a bunch of lies.

Papadopoulos also told you. He wants a bizonal bicumanal Federation. And he said he means every word of it because each one has its meaning.

There has never been a Politician in Cyprus who could see into the future, not even to the near and predictable one. They were all going with the wind. Theywere just saying yes or no to events. Never created events never targetted on anything and grabbed it when it happened.

Papadopoulos is juuust a little different. Papadopoulos CAN see into the predictable future. And I am absolutely certain that he will try to manage the Cyprus problem from inside the EU when Turkey gets a date as well. Foreign powers - who have analysts that can see into the future - know the result and I suspect the result is what we actually want. A fair solution. That’s why they will try to fix prior to December. Its upto each one of us to then think if what we are offered is satisfactory or not, and it his great responsibility to make it satisfactory.

I will wait to judge Papadopoulos by the end of the year. As an independent citizen I am obliged for the moment to back him up in his efforts, and at the same time contempt all those traitors who scream all day "tell us your strategy" , "tell us the exact changes you want on the Anan plan", "since you rejected the plan you must tell us what your alternative is" and things like that that. . .
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