Demonstrations in Varosha - helpful or provocative?
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| erolz |
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Are plans to march into Varosha a helpful way of finding a way forward, building confidence and trust between North and South? Or are they an unhelpful attempt to provoke and increase tension between the two communites?
What do you think?
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:51 am |
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| Piratis |
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| They are helpful to remind us that peace is prevented by those that use force to deny innocent people their basic human right of living in their own home. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:23 am |
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| mehmet |
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| Do you think that increases or decreases tension? |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:07 am |
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| Piratis |
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| What increases tension is the occupation that doesn't allow those people to return to their homes. Maybe you would prefer if those people had just forgot about it, but this can not happen. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:30 pm |
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I thinl it'll increase the tension!
Do you remember 1996 Derinya events?   Oh that was so bad.
Piratis be sure TCs won't be there but there will be grey wolves!
You know them.
After 23 April 2003 we can pass from North to South or South to North!
So what's the aim of a demonstration for drilling a border? I can't see this a demonstration for goodwill.This is for new bad events and to cause tension in Cyprus again.
Do you heard what a facist group named "Hristi Avgi" is doing? |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:08 pm |
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After 23 April 2003 we can pass from North to South or South to North!
So what's the aim of a demonstration for drilling a border? |
There is no border, and the aim is to show that the occupation does not allow the legal owners of the place to move freely and use their properties. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:57 pm |
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| erolz |
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| Piratis wrote: |
| There is no border, and the aim is to show that the occupation does not allow the legal owners of the place to move freely and use their properties. |
Have you ever considered your 'hard line' attitude and positions are actualy only helping to solidify partition rather than help remove it?
Just a thought, nothing more. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:33 pm |
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| Have you ever considered your 'hard line' attitude and positions are actualy only helping to solidify partition rather than help remove it? |
Yes I thought of it, and then I realized that I was wrong. Unfortunately when you are nice the others take advantage of it. This is how we ended with Annan plan when Vasilou-Clerdes were always the "good boys".
I came to the conclusion that the other side will make compromises only when it will be forced to make them and when the cost of occupation will be higher than the benefit. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:46 pm |
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| Piratis wrote: |
Yes I thought of it, and then I realized that I was wrong. Unfortunately when you are nice the others take advantage of it. This is how we ended with Annan plan when Vasilou-Clerdes were always the "good boys".
I came to the conclusion that the other side will make compromises only when it will be forced to make them and when the cost of occupation will be higher than the benefit. |
Thanks for your candour.
Your position is not one I agree with and one I think that actualy makes a solution harder to find and less likely to be found, but I do understand your position, even if I think it misguided.
Good luck with your efforts to FORCE Turkey and TC to do what you want them to do. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:01 pm |
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| Good luck with your efforts to FORCE Turkey and TC to do what you want them to do. |
Just remember that what we want to force them to do is nothing but liberating our country and establishing human and democratic rights for everybody.
It is not easy, I know, but what we fight for is not only just and fair but is the legal thing also.
But how many chances do we have you might ask? Not that many, but a "solution" that will not truly reunite our island and without human rights and democracy is simply not a solution. So fighting for anything less than that is just a waste of efforts. |
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