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Re: New Category: Health

Postby Flying Horse » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:25 pm

[quote="repulsewarrior/]....

...ADHT,.[/quote]


Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you mean ADHD...Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder?
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Re: New Category: Health

Postby CBBB » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:25 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...forgot about this topic, hi SoulRose, welcome, love that photo!

mental health has long been ignored, although i understand why people are reluctant to expose themselves to being institutionalized by experts who have not perfected what is a very young science.

...ADHT, (e.g.) identified as a problem among 3-10% of school aged children is now treated with drugs, and yet it is known that this is the set of children most likely to produce an Einstein, Churchill, or Van Gogh. it reminds me of leaches and their use for medicinal purposes; how far from then we've come.


But we still have leeches, now we call them civil servants!
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Re: New Category: Health

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:30 pm

...blood filled, yes. a little salt of the earth is needed, not more doctors.
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Re: New Category: Health

Postby SoulRose » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:38 pm

CBBB wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...forgot about this topic, hi SoulRose, welcome, love that photo!

mental health has long been ignored, although i understand why people are reluctant to expose themselves to being institutionalized by experts who have not perfected what is a very young science.

...ADHT, (e.g.) identified as a problem among 3-10% of school aged children is now treated with drugs, and yet it is known that this is the set of children most likely to produce an Einstein, Churchill, or Van Gogh. it reminds me of leaches and their use for medicinal purposes; how far from then we've come.


But we still have leeches, now we call them civil servants!



I thought they were called bankers?!?!?!?!? :roll:
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Re: New Category: Health

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:20 pm

...lawyers.
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Re: New Category: Health

Postby SoulRose » Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:40 pm

Nevertheless we need a Health Category. :o)

p.s. dont forget the politicians...
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Re: New Category: Health

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:06 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...ADHT, (e.g.) identified as a problem among 3-10% of school aged children is now treated with drugs, and yet it is known that this is the set of children most likely to produce an Einstein, Churchill, or Van Gogh. it reminds me of leaches and their use for medicinal purposes; how far from then we've come.


These kids (variants of autism) are often drugged for being dangerously hyperactive and not just when it affects their attention and concentration as we know it. However, some kids learn better when over-stimulated. Like, some learn whilst there's loud music on and others need it dead quiet (which we term as 'normal'). But if they have severe autism, all you can do is quieten them down and they are never going to turn into geniuses, with or without drugs unless they have some other special quality beyond autism.

Basically, the "genius" side of autism is a myth. Certainly Asperger's (the functioning, low level types on the autism scale) individuals can be obsessive to the point of making great accomplishments but there are just as many geniuses who do not fall on the autism scale.
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Re: New Category: Health

Postby Get Real! » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:33 pm

SoulRose wrote:Nevertheless we need a Health Category. :o)

Please go ahead and start a Health thread and I’ll do everything I can to cure your mental illnesses. :)
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Re: New Category: Health

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:12 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...ADHT, (e.g.) identified as a problem among 3-10% of school aged children is now treated with drugs, and yet it is known that this is the set of children most likely to produce an Einstein, Churchill, or Van Gogh. it reminds me of leaches and their use for medicinal purposes; how far from then we've come.


These kids (variants of autism) are often drugged for being dangerously hyperactive and not just when it affects their attention and concentration as we know it. However, some kids learn better when over-stimulated. Like, some learn whilst there's loud music on and others need it dead quiet (which we term as 'normal'). But if they have severe autism, all you can do is quieten them down and they are never going to turn into geniuses, with or without drugs unless they have some other special quality beyond autism.

Basically, the "genius" side of autism is a myth. Certainly Asperger's (the functioning, low level types on the autism scale) individuals can be obsessive to the point of making great accomplishments but there are just as many geniuses who do not fall on the autism scale.

People falling within the scope an ASD might show some ADHD type symptoms but ADHD and ASD are separate conditions, indeed under DSM 4 someone with ASD could not be diagnosed with comorbid ADHD, though that has changed with DSM 5 . The ADHD type symptoms can be a side effect of ASD. Control the ASD through ABA and the ADHD can disappear.

Indeed with DSM 5 Asperger Syndrome has been absorbed within the spectrum of ASD as a type of Autism. There alway was a debate about What Asperger saw.

It is true that not all with an ASD are gifted, but some research tends to suggest that gifted and highly intelligent people tend to show a greater propensity to ASD type symptoms. If someone with ASD is gifted it is not always because they have any form of compulsion; some do have a very high IQ, and their intelligence can sometimes mask how profoundly autistic they may be. They learn the responses, eg when you meet someone say hello and make the face, which "face"was a smile.


medication is not always the answer. It can have side effects, for example as appetite killers which is not good if prison on the spectrum has a quirky diet to start with.

Take it from me, parenting a child on the spectrum is no fun.
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Re: New Category: Health

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:13 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Take it from me, parenting a child on the spectrum is no fun.


That's really good of you to share, STUD. I'm sure it's very challenging. We can Google conditions, symptoms and signs all we like, but there's nothing like the personal experience. :)

You're right that Asperger's is being reclassified as autism but I don't know how useful these labels are when we are talking about behaviour. Sure, drugs can alter behaviour, mood and actions as though they are the same as physical conditions - like a high temperature. But no one is likely to die from autism, as you might from a high temperature, unless that behaviour is so extreme it can cause accidents. So I don't have a problem with medication that takes away the extremes of behavioural manifestations. Where it gets mixed up here is from the times, some decades ago, the patronising do-gooders decided to compensate for autism by linking it with genius. If you control the behavioural overreactions, and then you find there's a genius underneath, fine. But it won't be at any higher rate than the population who are not autistic. The fact some geniuses show autism characteristics is probably because those are the characteristics for perseverance over a problem where lesser mortals would have given up.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that it's disingenuous to instantly label someone with autism as a potential genius. Just as it's unfair to label autistic those obsessives who find science or maths so fascinating that they prefer them to people and socialising. :)
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