WE THE PEOPLE - NEED FOR A REFERENDUM
| EU shall make a referendum for all major issues |
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| I disagree |
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| Total Votes : 8 |
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 Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:40 pm |
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| cypezokyli |
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so what would be to our interests?
the cypriot?
or the greek?
to keep turkey cooncetrated on the EU prospect is vital for the interests of both greece and cyprus.
didnt u notice we r not going to put any veto?
and this cultural gap, i am not sure.
to be honest i find the turks being much closer to us than the germans.
believe me, i currently live in germany  |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:12 pm |
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| cmantas_liberal |
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| i lived and worked in britain, italy and i ve been in germany. I belong to the greek liberal franction (see also Manos,Papandreou G., Andrinaopoulos, Androulakis, Dimou and other ppl) that i considered as the pro-western and more educated and i see many gaps btw me and turks. Of course many neo-Greeks have Asian attitude, they listen to Asian skiladiko music and etc but we are still many greeks who distingiush ourselves from the oriental culture of the average neo-greek. For the time being i prefer sticking together with northern europeans than asians. Though that asians are more friendly i still consider them as primitives. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:42 pm |
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| cypezokyli |
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i would like to infrom u that not only the greek skylades use eastern music.
actually a number of neo-greek musicians (not skylades) create beautiful music after they have accepted the influence of the east on our tradition.
with which western music do you thing we have things in common?
tango or wals?
mozart or bethoven?
or american pop?
as for the political leaders u admire indeed they seem quite americanised.
there was a very nice research concerning greek teachers (done in early 1990s).
it showed that greeks have inferiority complex
1. when it comes to their past. they dont know their past but they know that they are inferior in comparison with their ancestors
2. when it comes to the europeans (germans , french, etc)
thats why when something works good we say : europe, europe 
they believe that they are more close to italians and spaniards
they ofcource feel superior against slavs, albanians and turks
not to mantion racism.
if u r interested i can tell u the name of the book. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:48 pm |
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| cmantas_liberal |
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yeah..remember..we still have a communist economy and the worst eduction system....there are kids that still believe that a greek can be only a christian orthodox, while issues such as homosexuality and etc are still a taboo. I believe that after 2008 we will manage to have legal marriages btw homosexuals and etc. but still we have to overcome our oriental taboos and the fragment economy.
most of the trash greek songs are stolen from asian pop singers...it is a truth....
i only know that ancient greeks did not have bouzouki nor they were dancing amanedes |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:50 pm |
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| cmantas_liberal |
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| NEVERTHELESS the topic here is: Do we want to be listened from EU's decision makers or not? |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:01 pm |
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| cypezokyli |
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| only know that ancient greeks did not have bouzouki nor they were dancing amanedes |
could you then define the greek music?
or just give an example. one song
if we should forget bouzouki for the sake of the ancient greeks, then u just threw hatjidakis, thodorakis, tsiatsanis, loizos, vamvakaris,not to mention also savopoulos etc etc out of the window.
so lets screw them all and westernise our selves.
as for the homosexual weddings...
i dont think u realised how concervative is the country u live in |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:11 pm |
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| Bananiot |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:27 pm |
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| Piratis |
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| Though that asians are more friendly i still consider them as primitives. |
A recent European study showed that men are smarter than women, white people are smarter than blacks and asians of some region (east I think) are smarter than Europeans (on average).
Do you consider people of Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore etc as primitives?? They are way ahead of us. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:14 am |
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| cypezokyli |
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bravo
"the misery of being greek"
is really beautiful book
and so true... |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:43 am |
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| cypezokyli |
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the site was really nice bananiot.
i fail though to realise how omantas-libertas is a fan
after all he wrote:
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| i see many gaps btw me and turks....Though that asians are more friendly i still consider them as primitives |
it becomes a paradox. unless ofcource ther is another nicos dimou |
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