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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:31 am

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Paphitis wrote:BTW, Al Jazeera have just reported that the United nations have just released their report damning the Syrian Regime for its use of Chemical Weapons on the Idlib attacks of 2015.

Apparently, there are more reports to be handed down for every instance where war Crimes have been detected, including the criminal attack on the UN Aid convoy a few weeks ago. There seems to be an 18 month lag because of the independent investigatory process that needs to be concluded first.

Once I have a copy of the UN Report I will post it here.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/II ... ssion.aspx

So far, it seems Pootin and Assad are at odds with the United Nations in virtually every aspect.


I see nothing in this link that even mentions Assad or Russia ..... so how you came to the conclusion they were at odds with the UN is baffling. :roll:


You have to read all these reports in conjunction with one and another.

there are many reports that have expressly blamed Assad for the use of chemical weapons in violation of a treaty signed with the OCPW in 2012 to avoid Air Strikes. it also accuses Assad of gross violations of HR, mass incarcerations, torture, siege tactics, bombing of hospitals and civilians.

It's all there.


Sorry .... but there are and cannot be, any definitive reports until there is an independent investigation. Any other claims are supposition. There have been accusations ..... that is all .... and the only 'report' (unofficial) into the UN Convoy Incident was a cut-n-paste provided by Bellingcat and has more holes in it than a Gruyere cheese!
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:33 am

Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:BTW, Al Jazeera have just reported that the United nations have just released their report damning the Syrian Regime for its use of Chemical Weapons on the Idlib attacks of 2015.

Apparently, there are more reports to be handed down for every instance where war Crimes have been detected, including the criminal attack on the UN Aid convoy a few weeks ago. There seems to be an 18 month lag because of the independent investigatory process that needs to be concluded first.

Once I have a copy of the UN Report I will post it here.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/II ... ssion.aspx

So far, it seems Pootin and Assad are at odds with the United Nations in virtually every aspect.


I see nothing in this link that even mentions Assad or Russia ..... so how you came to the conclusion they were at odds with the UN is baffling. :roll:


You have to read all these reports in conjunction with one and another.

there are many reports that have expressly blamed Assad for the use of chemical weapons in violation of a treaty signed with the OCPW in 2012 to avoid Air Strikes. it also accuses Assad of gross violations of HR, mass incarcerations, torture, siege tactics, bombing of hospitals and civilians.

It's all there.


Sorry .... but there are and cannot be, any definitive reports until there is an independent investigation. Any other claims are supposition. There have been accusations ..... that is all .... and the only 'report' (unofficial) into the UN Convoy Incident was a cut-n-paste provided by Bellingcat and has more holes in it than a Gruyere cheese!


These are independent reports, and also many are endorsed and accepted by the general assembly by vote.

Belligerents played no part in making them.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:36 am

Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:BTW, Al Jazeera have just reported that the United nations have just released their report damning the Syrian Regime for its use of Chemical Weapons on the Idlib attacks of 2015.

Apparently, there are more reports to be handed down for every instance where war Crimes have been detected, including the criminal attack on the UN Aid convoy a few weeks ago. There seems to be an 18 month lag because of the independent investigatory process that needs to be concluded first.

Once I have a copy of the UN Report I will post it here.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/II ... ssion.aspx

So far, it seems Pootin and Assad are at odds with the United Nations in virtually every aspect.


I see nothing in this link that even mentions Assad or Russia ..... so how you came to the conclusion they were at odds with the UN is baffling. :roll:


You have to read all these reports in conjunction with one and another.

there are many reports that have expressly blamed Assad for the use of chemical weapons in violation of a treaty signed with the OCPW in 2012 to avoid Air Strikes. it also accuses Assad of gross violations of HR, mass incarcerations, torture, siege tactics, bombing of hospitals and civilians.

It's all there.


You seem to find it difficult to differentiate between an 'accusation' and 'proof'' as a result of an investigation accessing All available evidence. I have already rubbished your 'evidence' of 20,000 'Assad torture photos'. :roll:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:39 am

Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:BTW, Al Jazeera have just reported that the United nations have just released their report damning the Syrian Regime for its use of Chemical Weapons on the Idlib attacks of 2015.

Apparently, there are more reports to be handed down for every instance where war Crimes have been detected, including the criminal attack on the UN Aid convoy a few weeks ago. There seems to be an 18 month lag because of the independent investigatory process that needs to be concluded first.

Once I have a copy of the UN Report I will post it here.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/II ... ssion.aspx

So far, it seems Pootin and Assad are at odds with the United Nations in virtually every aspect.


I see nothing in this link that even mentions Assad or Russia ..... so how you came to the conclusion they were at odds with the UN is baffling. :roll:


You have to read all these reports in conjunction with one and another.

there are many reports that have expressly blamed Assad for the use of chemical weapons in violation of a treaty signed with the OCPW in 2012 to avoid Air Strikes. it also accuses Assad of gross violations of HR, mass incarcerations, torture, siege tactics, bombing of hospitals and civilians.

It's all there.


You seem to find it difficult to differentiate between an 'accusation' and 'proof'' as a result of an investigation accessing All available evidence. I have already rubbished your 'evidence' of 20,000 'Assad torture photos'. :roll:


Like the proof from Sputnik.

The reports clearly state, on examination of all the evidence, that they have concluded the following...


You need to read the reports because the united nation's is very clear about the accusations they are making and to whom they are attributing these crimes to.

the Coalition has even rated a mention so don't tell me its bias. Some of the reports have accused the Coalition for some actions such as arming rebels and antagonistic more violence which results in the suffering of civilians. but they have never gone as far as accusing the coalition of war crimes.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:41 am

Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:BTW, Al Jazeera have just reported that the United nations have just released their report damning the Syrian Regime for its use of Chemical Weapons on the Idlib attacks of 2015.

Apparently, there are more reports to be handed down for every instance where war Crimes have been detected, including the criminal attack on the UN Aid convoy a few weeks ago. There seems to be an 18 month lag because of the independent investigatory process that needs to be concluded first.

Once I have a copy of the UN Report I will post it here.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/II ... ssion.aspx

So far, it seems Pootin and Assad are at odds with the United Nations in virtually every aspect.


I see nothing in this link that even mentions Assad or Russia ..... so how you came to the conclusion they were at odds with the UN is baffling. :roll:


You have to read all these reports in conjunction with one and another.

there are many reports that have expressly blamed Assad for the use of chemical weapons in violation of a treaty signed with the OCPW in 2012 to avoid Air Strikes. it also accuses Assad of gross violations of HR, mass incarcerations, torture, siege tactics, bombing of hospitals and civilians.

It's all there.


You seem to find it difficult to differentiate between an 'accusation' and 'proof'' as a result of an investigation accessing All available evidence. I have already rubbished your 'evidence' of 20,000 'Assad torture photos'. :roll:


no you haven't! you supplied global research and Sputnik links and I supplied UNHCR links that do not debunk the accusations at all.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:23 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:BTW, Al Jazeera have just reported that the United nations have just released their report damning the Syrian Regime for its use of Chemical Weapons on the Idlib attacks of 2015.

Apparently, there are more reports to be handed down for every instance where war Crimes have been detected, including the criminal attack on the UN Aid convoy a few weeks ago. There seems to be an 18 month lag because of the independent investigatory process that needs to be concluded first.

Once I have a copy of the UN Report I will post it here.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/II ... ssion.aspx

So far, it seems Pootin and Assad are at odds with the United Nations in virtually every aspect.


I see nothing in this link that even mentions Assad or Russia ..... so how you came to the conclusion they were at odds with the UN is baffling. :roll:


You have to read all these reports in conjunction with one and another.

there are many reports that have expressly blamed Assad for the use of chemical weapons in violation of a treaty signed with the OCPW in 2012 to avoid Air Strikes. it also accuses Assad of gross violations of HR, mass incarcerations, torture, siege tactics, bombing of hospitals and civilians.

It's all there.


You seem to find it difficult to differentiate between an 'accusation' and 'proof'' as a result of an investigation accessing All available evidence. I have already rubbished your 'evidence' of 20,000 'Assad torture photos'. :roll:


no you haven't! you supplied global research and Sputnik links and I supplied UNHCR links that do not debunk the accusations at all.


You covered 83 to 99 .....you stopped short, the following followed on from that. In the UN report. From what we have all seen ..... you remember the FSA guy eating the liver of a murdered Syrian Army soldier? ........I would say the following is astounding in its brevity relating to Al-Nusra and the ‘anti-government armed groups’ aka: Terrorists!

Anti-Government armed groups and Jabhat Al-Nusra

100. Besides their continuous collaboration for operational necessities, anti-Government armed groups and the terrorist group Jabhat Al-Nusra have largely shared the control of the same areas and governed the same communities.

101. Anti-Government armed groups and Jabhat Al-Nusra are responsible for murder, torture and other forms of ill treatment of detainees. In instituting makeshift courts whose procedures fall far short of fair trial standards, the responsible groups violated due process principles, in violation of international humanitarian and human rights law. Executions ordered by these makeshift, unauthorised courts constitute killings or summary executions in violation of international humanitarian law and human rights law. A/HRC/31/CRP.1
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102. When committed after the start of the non-international armed conflict, such acts also constitute war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, and torture for which perpetrators and their commanders may be held responsible.


..... and the section on Daesh is even briefer than Al-Nusra and the anti-government terrorists!

Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS)

103. ISIS is responsible for murder, torture and other forms of ill-treatment, outrages upon personal dignity and summary executions occurring in detention facilities run by the group, in violation of applicable international humanitarian law and international human rights law. Executions of persons detained and brought before illicit courts amount to murder or summary executions, constituting war crimes. The group has also committed the war crime of torture. Its unauthorised mock trials furthermore deprive victims of basic due process guarantees in violation of international humanitarian law and international human rights law.

104. This conduct, when forming part of a widespread attack against a civilian population, constitutes the crimes against humanity of murder and torture
.

As for your photo evidence from ‘Caesar’ ........

The Caesar Photo Fraud that Undermined Syrian Negotiations

12 Problems with the Story of Mass Torture and Execution in Syria - by Rick Sterling - Syria Solidarity Movement

Syria Solidarity Movement is an international network of people who oppose the war of aggression against Syria. We have members and supporters around the globe including in Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, USA, Canada,UK, France, Australia and beyond. For more information, please visit our website at http://www.syriasolidaritymovement.org . If you share our concerns and beliefs, we invite you to donate and/or work with us. We receive no funds or support from any government, government agency or large foundation. We operate on volunteer efforts and commitment.

(The full 30 page report is linked in the first paragraph, if you want to see the photos as well!)

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/04/the-caesar-photo-fraud-that-undermined-syrian-negotiations/
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:32 pm

The first post in this thread was an interview with President Assad, here is a more recent one. Having watched it, I have to agree with the Global Research Editor’s Note:

“This interview by Swiss TV SRF Channel 1 is in many regards despicable, idiotic and unprofessional. The answers of President Assad fully reveals the lies and fabrications of the Western media.”

Video: President al-Assad: “Fighting Terrorists is the Way to Protect Civilians in Aleppo”.


President Bashar al-Assad stressed that protecting civilians in Aleppo necessitates getting rid of the terrorists.
Speaking in an interview with the Swiss SRF 1 TV channel, the President said “Of course, it’s our mission according to the constitution and the law. We have to protect the people, and we have to get rid of those terrorists in Aleppo. That’s how we can protect civilians.”

He added that it goes without saying that the way to protect the civilians in Aleppo is to attack the terrorists who hold the civilians under their control and are killing them.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/video-president-al-assad-fighting-terrorists-is-the-way-to-protect-civilians-in-aleppo-vicious-shabby-interview-by-swiss-srf-tv/5551942

Recent news from Iraq .......

15 women killed, dozens more wounded in air raid on shrine near Kirkuk – report


An airstrike has left 15 women dead and 50 more injured after it hit a Shiite shrine near the Iraqi city of Kirkuk, AFP reports, citing a local official and medic.

https://www.rt.com/news/363681-kirkuk-airstrike-women-killed/

Paphitis ..... note how RT cover the story professionally; no accusations or suggestion it was the US coalition ..... no suggestion it was deliberate ..... or targeted at civilians ..... just clear reporting. Maybe another 'mistake' ? :roll:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:08 am

Robin Hood wrote:The first post in this thread was an interview with President Assad, here is a more recent one. Having watched it, I have to agree with the Global Research Editor’s Note:

“This interview by Swiss TV SRF Channel 1 is in many regards despicable, idiotic and unprofessional. The answers of President Assad fully reveals the lies and fabrications of the Western media.”

Video: President al-Assad: “Fighting Terrorists is the Way to Protect Civilians in Aleppo”.


President Bashar al-Assad stressed that protecting civilians in Aleppo necessitates getting rid of the terrorists.
Speaking in an interview with the Swiss SRF 1 TV channel, the President said “Of course, it’s our mission according to the constitution and the law. We have to protect the people, and we have to get rid of those terrorists in Aleppo. That’s how we can protect civilians.”

He added that it goes without saying that the way to protect the civilians in Aleppo is to attack the terrorists who hold the civilians under their control and are killing them.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/video-president-al-assad-fighting-terrorists-is-the-way-to-protect-civilians-in-aleppo-vicious-shabby-interview-by-swiss-srf-tv/5551942

Recent news from Iraq .......

15 women killed, dozens more wounded in air raid on shrine near Kirkuk – report


An airstrike has left 15 women dead and 50 more injured after it hit a Shiite shrine near the Iraqi city of Kirkuk, AFP reports, citing a local official and medic.

https://www.rt.com/news/363681-kirkuk-airstrike-women-killed/

Paphitis ..... note how RT cover the story professionally; no accusations or suggestion it was the US coalition ..... no suggestion it was deliberate ..... or targeted at civilians ..... just clear reporting. Maybe another 'mistake' ? :roll:


No I do not note it, and I do not read anything from RT. I don't take them as a serious source under any circumstances.

Western mass media is a lot more credible but there are degrees of credibility among them as well. For example, BBC/CNN Vs Daily Mirror and the like.

RT is below the Daily Mirror. I don't take them seriously either but at least they are no Pootin mouthpiece.

I told you, my wife was a News limited journalist for 10 years. She also managed to do a number of pieces on the plight of Palestinians (Gaza Strip and West bank). She considers herself a Human Rights crusader or it is a subject close to her heart. Anyway, she got one piece in, 2 pieces in, 3 pieces in and eventually got the attention of the Israelis who were I could imagine pretty upset with her. So one fine day, she was summonsed to the Editor's office who had received a letter from the Israeli Embassy naming my wife saying that the Israeli department of Information would like to invite her to Israel on a paid for visit.

So off she went. There were other journos in the group from a variety of countries. She promised to write an article from the Israeli perspective, and there is an Israeli perspective and a very valid and convincing one as well.

Then she started to received Death threats. It's a very dangerous business journalism. A lot of anxiety involved when all kinds of looneys write to you and even threaten your life and you not knowing whether its serious or not.

And being a Murdoch journalist, she got a number of pieces through regarding Cyprus. Even though her heritage was Cypriot.

But not just that, she wrote a lot of stuff, with regard to Bosnia, and other War Zones. She could write whatever she wanted, within reason. No bias, at least not the kind of bias you talk about with Murdoch's agenda. Now, true to form, her interests are with the mass movement of migrants from Syria to EU, Kurdish issues, things like the Assyrians of Syria, Yazidi and so on. She has taken a liking to Kurds as a cause she wants to champion now and she is doing it in a different way and her works penetrate with decision makers as well, who fund her. She also writes speeches.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:13 am

Paphitis:

No I do not note it, and I do not read anything from RT. I don't take them as a serious source under any circumstances.


You have the same mind set as an Islamic extremist ...... you only listen to what suits your opinion. You should take a leaf from this interview.

Former Conservative chief whip Andrew Mitchell MP

............ told RT UK’s Going Underground: “It’s important that RT carries interviews, if you carry interviews like this, then you are promoting free speech, and I wouldn’t want to put RT out of business.”

http://on.rt.com/7sly


Western mass media is a lot more credible but there are degrees of credibility among them as well. For example, BBC/CNN Vs Daily Mirror and the like.


On RT yesterday they were running a series of interviews and videos showing how selective the west is with its rhetoric.

Example #!:

Hollande and Merkel. Hollande is spouting how using the excuse that an area is occupied by terrorists, as in Aleppo, is not an acceptable justification for air strikes that kill civilians ......... that is a war crime. Merkel agreed.

RT then went to another Hollande speech, spouting again ...... but this time he was talking about Mosul and said it was necessary to destroy ISIL in Mosul, using every means possible to protect the civilians!

Example #2

US White House spokesman was asked a question about civilian casualties by a lady journalist. His answer was ‘Sorry .... but are you talking about Aleppo or Mosul ?..... so the west obviously believes the two are different scenarios

RT is below the Daily Mirror. I don't take them seriously either but at least they are no Pootin mouthpiece.


Of course not! They area mouthpiece for the US/UK et al ..... The Administration, the CIA, corporate interests ..... and the continuous stream of anti Putin, anti- Assad rhetoric. They are even using the ‘Russia’ card to destroy Trumps campaign for POTUS.

I told you, my wife was a News limited journalist for 10 years. She also managed to do a number of pieces on the plight of Palestinians (Gaza Strip and West bank). She considers herself a Human Rights crusader or it is a subject close to her heart. Anyway, she got one piece in, 2 pieces in, 3 pieces in and eventually got the attention of the Israelis who were I could imagine pretty upset with her. So one fine day, she was summoned to the Editor's office who had received a letter from the Israeli Embassy naming my wife saying that the Israeli department of Information would like to invite her to Israel on a paid for visit.

So off she went. There were other journos in the group from a variety of countries. She promised to write an article from the Israeli perspective, and there is an Israeli perspective and a very valid and convincing one as well.


Now why do you think the Israeli’s offered her an ‘all-expences-paid’ trip to Israel for a conducted tour to see the ‘Israeli perspective’? Their propaganda obviously worked then as she obviously wrote the required article(s)? Was she allowed free rein to visit Gaza to hear the other side of the story? I expect not .... the Israeli’s paid her to publish their view, not a balanced view and no doubt that is what she wrote.
Then she started to received Death threats. It's a very dangerous business journalism. A lot of anxiety involved when all kinds of looneys write to you and even threaten your life and you not knowing whether its serious or not.


Threats? From who ............ presumably those Palestinians who read her piece for the biased piece of Israeli Propaganda it would have been?

Your wife may have heard of this young Lady Rachel Corrie? She was murdered by the IDF in Gaza by the IDF. She was very young journalist (late 20’s?) and was deliberately run down in spite of people yelling at the driver to tell him she was there and she was crushed by an Israeli armoured bulldozer that was knocking down a doctors surgery/house.

And being a Murdoch journalist, she got a number of pieces through regarding Cyprus. Even though her heritage was Cypriot.


I am sorry to say it but Cyprus is a subject that is really only of any real interest to Cypriots. From experience with Americans, I can assure you that most of them don’t even know where Cyprus is, let alone anything about the ‘Cyprus Problem’

But not just that, she wrote a lot of stuff, with regard to Bosnia, and other War Zones. She could write whatever she wanted, within reason. No bias, at least not the kind of bias you talk about with Murdoch's agenda. Now, true to form, her interests are with the mass movement of migrants from Syria to EU, Kurdish issues, things like the Assyrians of Syria, Yazidi and so on. She has taken a liking to Kurds as a cause she wants to champion now and she is doing it in a different way and her works penetrate with decision makers as well, who fund her. She also writes speeches.


Your wife is obviously a lady that demonstrates empathy with others and I admire that trait in anybody. She is obviously vastly different when compared to your irrational and hate filled views, all driven by the same hatred for Putin and all things Russian, and an irrational and ill-informed opinion of Assad. Be realistic ..... if you work for Murdoch, you write according to the Comany’s editorial policy, otherwise you are looking for another job ..... which you will find it very difficult to get ..... you are marked as a trouble maker.

If your wife has an interest in the Palestinian problem, she will know of and maybe even met with Alison Weir? She went to Gaza, as a journalist and was so upset by what she heard and saw she chucked in the job and started 'If Americans Knew'. She has also had many death threats and has been attacked several times by Zionists and had meeting disputed by them. She is also very close to the truth and is also very plausible with evidence to prove it.

Did you watch the Assad interview? On the remote off chance that you did, did you not think the questions were heavily loaded, almost accusations? Did you not think his polite replies were well measured, very logical and truthfull? Did you not note that he said he would answer ALL questions and that, obviously, he had no pre-knowledgeg of what those questions would be? Have you ever seen Kerry allowing himself to be interviewed like that?

You should open your mind and try watching outlets like RT (which is nowhere near as biased and selective as the outlets you use). They seem to welcome interviews with people who have anti-Russian/Putin/Assad views and invariably make them look rather foolish when they are asked to justify their views

I have seen very little outside of reports on RT etc. about the hundreds of civilian deaths in your coalitions attacks on the villages around Mosul ..... and where they are briefly mentioned, the deaths are always credited as being by ISIL ..... even when they are 284 dead human shield hostages. Why would you take hostages ...... and then kill them? Surely ..... they are then useless to you as a 'human shield'. Although RT/Sputnik have made no allegations, I believe these hostages were killed by our advancing coalition forces. They were all shot and then bulldozed into a pile. Do ISIL have bulldozers and, would they take the time to ‘tidy up’? The story is very questionable.

But it is already becoming very obvious that what happens in Aleppo and Syria in general is always down to Assad/Putin deliberately murdering civilians but in the same situation in Mosul, it is ISIS doing all the killing of their civilians, hostages and human shields? Maybe Putin should set up a ‘White Helmet’ civil defence group in ISIL held Iraq and pay for a Moscow based 'Iraq Observatory of Human Rights', run by a ex-ISIS tee shirt salesman?

The air attacks, which apparently have been heavy and the artillery shelling and rockets ...... have all been done with no attributable civilian casualties. I find that to have absolutely no credibility at all! :roll: :x
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:09 am

Syria - Bombing of a school in Daraa (October 10, 2016)

France condemns the bombing which killed 5 people, including children, in a school in Daraa on October 10.
It reaffirms the obligation of all fighters to comply with international humanitarian law and to spare civilians.

http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/countr ... a-10-10-16
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