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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:19 am

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:It's available here...

US 'backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria, blame it on Assad govt': Report

http://in.news.yahoo.com/us-backed-plan ... 48224.html


Wife is telling me that an attack on Syria is imminent.

Australian PM called off his election campaign because he was needed for high level discussions with the US. Australia is chair of the Security Council.

What they do admit is that they are unsure whether the chemical attacks on civilians are from Assad or the Islamist Rebels. It is possible that the Rebels have Chemical Weapons as well.

They believe it is likely to be Assad but they apparently need to gather more intelligence.

It is also unlikely they will have a mandate from the UN. Therefore, action will be unilateral or NATO.

Whoever is responsible for these Sarin Gas attacks needs to be pulverized. I can't bear seeing civilians, women and innocent children being exposed to such a terrible nerve agent. Absolutely sick.

Another thing that confuses me is the fact that the Rebels are backed by fundamentalist Islamists. Sometimes, it is better in helping REGIMES LIKE ASSAD, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful.

Simple fact is, some countries are just not ready for democracy and it is over rated anyway. Let's face it! Is the US, EU, or any other 'democracy' truly a democracy? Just because you get to cast your ballot does not mean you have a say.

Anyway, that was my one post per few days in this mental assylum because I'm off to Merkal land. The land of the Krauts that control Europe and screwed you buggers! They are democratic I will have you know because they have more money than you do and matter more than you do!

Not very consistent Paphitis are you mate ?
You clearly state that helping regimes like Assad etc is viable.

What made you change your mind? I too have always believed that nations in the ME can only be effectively ruled by a Dictator. I do not think your " consistency "measures up well here.


No it's not viable at all.

not when they commit war crimes, and not when we managed to vet the protagonists on the ground.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:19 am

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:It's available here...

US 'backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria, blame it on Assad govt': Report

http://in.news.yahoo.com/us-backed-plan ... 48224.html


Wife is telling me that an attack on Syria is imminent.

Australian PM called off his election campaign because he was needed for high level discussions with the US. Australia is chair of the Security Council.

What they do admit is that they are unsure whether the chemical attacks on civilians are from Assad or the Islamist Rebels. It is possible that the Rebels have Chemical Weapons as well.

They believe it is likely to be Assad but they apparently need to gather more intelligence.

at the time, we didn't know who was who in the zoo!

It is also unlikely they will have a mandate from the UN. Therefore, action will be unilateral or NATO.

Whoever is responsible for these Sarin Gas attacks needs to be pulverized. I can't bear seeing civilians, women and innocent children being exposed to such a terrible nerve agent. Absolutely sick.

Another thing that confuses me is the fact that the Rebels are backed by fundamentalist Islamists. Sometimes, it is better in helping REGIMES LIKE ASSAD, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful.

Simple fact is, some countries are just not ready for democracy and it is over rated anyway. Let's face it! Is the US, EU, or any other 'democracy' truly a democracy? Just because you get to cast your ballot does not mean you have a say.

Anyway, that was my one post per few days in this mental assylum because I'm off to Merkal land. The land of the Krauts that control Europe and screwed you buggers! They are democratic I will have you know because they have more money than you do and matter more than you do!

Not very consistent Paphitis are you mate ?
You clearly state that helping regimes like Assad etc is viable.

What made you change your mind? I too have always believed that nations in the ME can only be effectively ruled by a Dictator. I do not think your " consistency "measures up well here.


No it's not viable at all.

not when they commit war crimes, and not when we managed to vet the protagonists on the ground.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby miltiades » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:11 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:It's available here...

US 'backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria, blame it on Assad govt': Report

http://in.news.yahoo.com/us-backed-plan ... 48224.html


Wife is telling me that an attack on Syria is imminent.

Australian PM called off his election campaign because he was needed for high level discussions with the US. Australia is chair of the Security Council.

What they do admit is that they are unsure whether the chemical attacks on civilians are from Assad or the Islamist Rebels. It is possible that the Rebels have Chemical Weapons as well.

They believe it is likely to be Assad but they apparently need to gather more intelligence.

at the time, we didn't know who was who in the zoo!

It is also unlikely they will have a mandate from the UN. Therefore, action will be unilateral or NATO.

Whoever is responsible for these Sarin Gas attacks needs to be pulverized. I can't bear seeing civilians, women and innocent children being exposed to such a terrible nerve agent. Absolutely sick.

Another thing that confuses me is the fact that the Rebels are backed by fundamentalist Islamists.
Simple fact is, some countries are just not ready for democracy and it is over rated anyway. Let's face it! Is the US, EU, or any other 'democracy' truly a democracy? Just because you get to cast your ballot does not mean you have a say.

Anyway, that was my one post per few days in this mental assylum because I'm off to Merkal land. The land of the Krauts that control Europe and screwed you buggers! They are democratic I will have you know because they have more money than you do and matter more than you do!

Not very consistent Paphitis are you mate ?
You clearly state that helping regimes like Assad etc is viable.

What made you change your mind? I too have always believed that nations in the ME can only be effectively ruled by a Dictator. I do not think your " consistency "measures up well here.


No it's not viable at all.

not when they commit war crimes, and not when we managed to vet the protagonists on the ground.

So you obviously do not stand by your above comments.!
Do I now take it that this " Sometimes, it is better in helping REGIMES LIKE ASSAD, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful. " is withdrawn from you and that you no longer think that it is better. Your words mate, not mine !
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:19 am

miltiades wrote:So you obviously do not stand by your above comments.!
Do I now take it that this " Sometimes, it is better in helping REGIMES LIKE ASSAD, Qaddafi, and Mubarak maintain their power to keep everything under tight control and peaceful. " is withdrawn from you and that you no longer think that it is better. Your words mate, not mine !


no of course I do not stand by these comments made years ago and which was the common position of most commentators in the White House and Pentagon. They didn't know who was who in the zoo. Western Countries don't just rush into things as you can see. And we never wanted to get stuck in a sectarian conflict from day 1.

they could easily apply to someone like Saddam Hussein, whose deposing was a mistake, but certainly not to a war criminal.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:31 am

say bye bye to Syria's oil and gas!

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... ation.html

say hello to Rojava!

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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:35 am

Paphitis ...... you may be a very nice person, I have no reason to believe otherwise but you are completely delusional. I have read all your post and quite frankly they do not deserve the effort of replying to each and every one.

What you prattle on about is pure fantasy, it defies and is contrary to, the information coming from all but the extreme loony right wing fascist sites ..... and even they can't match your vivid imagination. You are in denial. Nothing you have posted has become a reality, nor will it. :roll:

I would take hours to prepare a list of your predictions of the direction of the US War against Syria, that failed ..... as for Assad/Russian successes, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. As Aleppo falls ........ the advances in either Mosul or Raqqa are minimal. Not YOUR fault just put it down to poor planning and hubris! YOU have underestimated your opponents all round it would appear and are being humiliated by them? YOU will be trying to take Raqqa and Mosul for months, if not years. :roll:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:40 am

Thanks for the compliment however I can't return the sentiments. I do not believe you are a nice person at all and for that to change you will need to re-align your moral settings which seem to be non existent as far as the brutal suffering of the Syrian people are concerned.

for you, only one thing counts. if its against the banks or America, then it must be good.

What you are about to see in Syria is a very long and protracted war which will be endless. Not to mention the fact, the Qatar, Turkey, UAE and Saudi Arabia are only going to regroup and DAESH is still very active and far from defeat.

Secondly, we have another agenda and plan and that involves Kurdish Interests in Syria and the oil Fields and the Raqqa region. The area is also rich in oil reserves.

Furthermore, our offensive in Mosul is proceeding very well, and it is a lot less brutal than the Aleppo offensive. And we have been at it for a lot less (just over a month) than the regime with its offensive on Aleppo. If the Mosul offensive continues for another 14 months then come and speak to me but that is unlikely.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby miltiades » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:08 am

According to Paphitis Russia has achieved....ZERO success thus far !! :lol: :lol:
Where on earth do you get these rubbish from mate?
"The rebels' loss of the eastern half of Aleppo, Syria's largest city before the war, would be the biggest victory of the conflict so far for Assad, securing his grip on all Syria's main cities.

It would also be a success for President Vladimir Putin who intervened to save Moscow's ally in September 2015 with air strikes, and for Shi'ite Iran, whose elite Islamic Republic Guard Corps has suffered casualties fighting for Assad."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-midea ... SKBN13V26Y
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:13 am

miltiades wrote:According to Paphitis Russia has achieved....ZERO success thus far !! :lol: :lol:
Where on earth do you get these rubbish from mate?
"The rebels' loss of the eastern half of Aleppo, Syria's largest city before the war, would be the biggest victory of the conflict so far for Assad, securing his grip on all Syria's main cities.

It would also be a success for President Vladimir Putin who intervened to save Moscow's ally in September 2015 with air strikes, and for Shi'ite Iran, whose elite Islamic Republic Guard Corps has suffered casualties fighting for Assad."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-midea ... SKBN13V26Y


Yes zero success. In fact it has been diabolical.

I wouldn't be seeing aleppo as a success and you got an impending sectarian war to deal with.

you come and speak to me in a few months.

What is a success is the Coalition's operations in Mosul! That's because it was carefully planned and involves Sunni stakeholders.

And the offensive is broadcast live on Facebook too, but your side wouldn't know anything like that because of all the war crimes they are trying to brush under the carpet.

See our boys taking selfies for Facebook! :lol:

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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:08 pm

Paphitis:
Thanks for the compliment however I can't return the sentiments. I do not believe you are a nice person at all and for that to change you will need to re-align your moral settings which seem to be non existent as far as the brutal suffering of the Syrian people are concerned
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I am not a hypocrite like you and obviously more magnanimous and pragmatic ! I have every concern for the Syrian people, it is a war they did not start, it was started by Islamic Fundamentalists that were, once again supported by the US (CIA). The success of the Russian invited assistance in keeping the civilian casualties as low as possible, is evident to all but a very few blinkered people. The UN has no credibility as it is dominated and directed by the US and its Allies.

The extended and brutal suffering of the Syrian people falls squarely into the lap of the US coalition and their illegal arming and supporting of terrorists trying to overthrow a Leader that YOU would also like to see the back of. Had you not encouraged this war by arming insurgents, it would have been over in weeks. But YOU are notorious for your double standards. :roll:

You seem euphoric about the Kurds, with your backing and support, taking over Northern Syria? This is of course an act of war ..... what YOU are supporting would be the annexation of Northern Syria. Nobody has asked the people in the area if they want to be an independent region of what is now Syria. The Kurds have no legal right to take over the region and as such your support is aiding and abetting the illegal seizure of the Syrian territory. You even rejoice at the stealing of the regions resources, its oil and gas. (but exactly how you will get to export it, will be interesting to see?)

So basically you could not give a sh*t for the suffering people as you are happy to rob them and subjugate them to a regime of which they have had no part in electing. So as far as I am concerned, as most of your posts are on this WE take anything WE want, when WE want and WE will destroy anyone who gets in the way of US or our partners ......makes you most certainly a hypocrite to criticise the moral standing of others.

With that attitude to a Kurdish annexation of part of Syria, how do you justify your criticism of Russia in dealing with Crimea?

Russia didn’t invade Crimea, they were there by legal agreement with the elected government. Then the US (once again) organised, backed and instantly recognised a coup by extreme right wing fascists who deposed the government and directly threatened the ethnic Russians, particularly in Eastern Ukraine. They also threatened the Russian base in Sevastopol. The Russians DID breach international law by using their forces in Crimea to ‘lock down’ the Ukraine military. This undoubtedly saved many lives and prevented another conflict. The people of Crimea voted for independence and then asked Russia to annex the region as protection against the illegal government. But THIS action you condemn with your usual anti-Putin rhetoric.

Using just a reasoned view of facts (available from various sources .... even the UN), the actions of Russia were far more justified than the actions you want to see in Northern Syria. There were no deaths and they allowed the Ukraine Military to either go back to Ukraine, join the Russian Military or just stay as civilians in Crimea. Very few returned to Ukraine!

So I would say on balance I have a far more concerned approach to a fair and just solution in Syria than you ever will, you support ONLY your concept of victory at any cost. I support Assads right to remain as President until the Syrian people say otherwise. YOU have started and have added fuel, to the fires of war with the one single purpose of getting rid of Assad an elected President. :x

For you, only one thing counts. if its against the banks or America, then it must be good.


The above is why I have little or no time for the US Administration or for the stupid politicians in those foolish countries that signed up to the USA’s war(s) of aggression around the Globe.

As for banking? Yes ..... and they are slowly crumbling but unfortunately are taking countries down with them. But then you cannot comment as you have no clue even to the basics of how the system works. Again you are consumed by your own arrogance and lack of knowledge. :roll:

What you are about to see in Syria is a very long and protracted war which will be endless. Not to mention the fact, the Qatar, Turkey, UAE and Saudi Arabia are only going to regroup and DAESH is still very active and far from defeat.

Daesh and Islamic fundamentalism are the product of US interference in the Middle East. You are correct, they will be around for years but as what they are .... TERRORISTS. Assad/Russia will degrade them in Syria and the US should do likewise in Iraq. This should prevent them forming a credible fighting force. But they will melt away in Syria and Iraq and regroup in ....... Europe, Africa, Australia and Asia, even in Russia no doubt ........ but also the USA and no walls or passport checks will stop them. I believe this is inevitable and the US won’t be able to use Nimitz class carriers and F-16’s to deal with that. The ME countries you mention would not dare to attack either Russia or Iran, the result would be catastrophic for them.

Secondly, we have another agenda and plan and that involves Kurdish Interests in Syria and the oil Fields and the Raqqa region. The area is also rich in oil reserves.


You know nothing about agendas and plans. You couldn’t organise a p*ss-up in a brewery! Once again .... YOUR penchant for theft and annexation of a sovereign states lands, is clearly evident.

Furthermore, our offensive in Mosul is proceeding very well, and it is a lot less brutal than the Aleppo offensive. And we have been at it for a lot less (just over a month) than the regime with its offensive on Aleppo. If the Mosul offensive continues for another 14 months then come and speak to me but that is unlikely.


Stop kidding yourself, Mosul has virtually ground to a standstill, your Iraqi proxies have suffered over 7000 casualties in just seven weeks and you are still mainly in the rural areas and the suburbs. There have been hundreds, if not thousands of civilian casualties and massive property destruction by artillery and air raids. But there is no independent journalistic coverage in Mosul, what is coming out comes from Iraqi forces and fleeing civilians. So the actual situation is very sketchy.

I say again ..... you are delusional and live in a World of pure fantasy! :roll: :lol: :lol:
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