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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:01 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote: When the same family has ruled a country for 46 years, this is a pretty good sign that there is a totalitarian regime.”


[color=#0040FF]The Windsor's by whatever name, have ruled the UK for well over a century ...... do you include them and all the other European Royals?
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You are equating the Assad dynasty with hereditary monarchies? That is quite impressive. I congratulate you on that conclusion.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:03 pm

Robin Hood wrote:... You would think Trump would put that money toward giving Americans health care like other civilised countries do?


So, yes, you have suddenly stopped being a fan of Trump. There is hope for you yet.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:31 pm

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Robin Hood wrote:... You would think Trump would put that money toward giving Americans health care like other civilised countries do?


So, yes, you have suddenly stopped being a fan of Trump. There is hope for you yet.


I admit I have changed my mind about Trump ...... like you believe all the crap in the MSM, I fell for his apparent intent to stop the US interfering in other countries. Well. I suppose even I can get taken in but at least I can admit it! I noted in his great concern for the cameras about the fate of little babies ...... he did not apply the same concern for the hundreds of thousands of men. women and children that his ally Saudi Arabis, with weapons supplied by the US and the UK, have murdered in Yemen and concern for the millions that are starving there ....... but your MSM doesn't cover this!

Maybe you should read articles like this before you condemn any news that does not conform to your very narrow, clouded views.

This is what I would deem to be a reasoned article and far from being propaganda by the Russians or anyone else …….. and it is by someone with credibility. He is also an American.
Another Dangerous Rush to Judgment in Syria - By Robert Parry

With the latest hasty judgment about Tuesday’s poison-gas deaths in a rebel-held area of northern Syria, the mainstream U.S. news media once more reveals itself to be a threat to responsible journalism and to the future of humanity. Again, we see the troubling pattern of verdict first, investigation later, even when that behavior can lead to a dangerous war escalation and many more deaths.

Before a careful evaluation of the evidence about Tuesday’s tragedy was possible, The New York Times and other major U.S. news outlets had pinned the blame for the scores of dead on the Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad. That revived demands that the U.S. and other nations establish a “no-fly zone” over Syria, which would amount to launching another “regime change” war and would put America into a likely hot war with nuclear-armed Russia.

Even as basic facts were still being assembled about Tuesday’s incident, we, the public, were prepped to disbelieve the Syrian government’s response that the poison gas may have come from rebel stockpiles that could have been released either accidentally or intentionally causing the civilian deaths in a town in Idlib Province.

Tne possible scenario was that Syrian warplanes bombed a rebel weapons depot where the poison gas was stored, causing the containers to rupture. Another possibility was a staged event by increasingly desperate Al Qaeda jihadists who are known for their disregard for innocent human life.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/another-dangerous-rush-to-judgment-in-syria/5583853


Also coming through is news that ISIL has embarked on several large offensives around Homs! Just like they did immediately after the US attacked the Syrian army killing over 70 just a few months ago. As I said ...... who was this incident and the US response most likely to benefit? Now you know! :x
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:52 pm

Robin Hood wrote:... like you believe all the crap in the MSM ...


But, my dear chap, you endlessly spout out the British right wing tabloids' lies and half truths about the EU. You cannot be a self-appointed deconstructor of what you call the 'MSM' one minute, and swallow it up uncritically the next. Are you incapable of seeing that?
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:55 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Maybe you should read articles like this before you condemn any news that does not conform to your very narrow, clouded views.

This is what I would deem to be a reasoned article and far from being propaganda by the Russians or anyone else …….. and it is by someone with credibility. He is also an American.
Another Dangerous Rush to Judgment in Syria - By Robert Parry

With the latest hasty judgment about Tuesday’s poison-gas deaths in a rebel-held area of northern Syria, the mainstream U.S. news media once more reveals itself to be a threat to responsible journalism and to the future of humanity. Again, we see the troubling pattern of verdict first, investigation later, even when that behavior can lead to a dangerous war escalation and many more deaths.

Before a careful evaluation of the evidence about Tuesday’s tragedy was possible, The New York Times and other major U.S. news outlets had pinned the blame for the scores of dead on the Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad. That revived demands that the U.S. and other nations establish a “no-fly zone” over Syria, which would amount to launching another “regime change” war and would put America into a likely hot war with nuclear-armed Russia.

Even as basic facts were still being assembled about Tuesday’s incident, we, the public, were prepped to disbelieve the Syrian government’s response that the poison gas may have come from rebel stockpiles that could have been released either accidentally or intentionally causing the civilian deaths in a town in Idlib Province.

Tne possible scenario was that Syrian warplanes bombed a rebel weapons depot where the poison gas was stored, causing the containers to rupture. Another possibility was a staged event by increasingly desperate Al Qaeda jihadists who are known for their disregard for innocent human life.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/another-dangerous-rush-to-judgment-in-syria/5583853




Just for your information, I am quite open to the idea that the Assad regime was not behind this particular attack - which does not stop me thinking that he is a brutal dictator.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Get Real! » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:01 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Just for your information, I am quite open to the idea that the Assad regime was not behind this particular attack - which does not stop me thinking that he is a brutal dictator.

Name me ONE British government in the last 100 years, that you consider less brutal than Assad… go on.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Get Real! » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:23 pm

Trump’s move is a strategic disaster that not only exposed the tomahawk system's shortcomings, but will embolden ISIS and encourage radicals to go on a new wave of citizen-killing in the West.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:38 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:... like you believe all the crap in the MSM ...


But, my dear chap, you endlessly spout out the British right wing tabloids' lies and half truths about the EU. You cannot be a self-appointed deconstructor of what you call the 'MSM' one minute, and swallow it up uncritically the next. Are you incapable of seeing that?


You don't appear to be too bright! :roll: I have never appointed myself as anything other than informed ...... it is you that credits me with being a 'self-appointed destructor'.

It is a question of looking at all sources (within reason) to get a broad view. I NEVER swallow anything without first looking for other sources of the same story. If you discount sources that do not usually agree with you by labelling them as such, you will only ever get half a story! It is like hearing the case for the prosecution and then refusing to listen to the case for the defence. Almost every day you can read stories of the US Police shooting first and asking questions afterwards and somebody who was innocent, dies ........ it is the way the American mind works, until THEY become the victim. This reaction from Trump is no different, just on a grander scale! :roll:

Are you not capable of understanding that? :roll:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:09 pm

I wonder what the Saudis told (Trump's partner) Theresa May she must do when she visited them a few days ago.

http://talkradio.co.uk/news/theresa-may ... ttee-chair

Disgusting turn of events.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby miltiades » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:42 pm

Having followed closely the Trump election campaign , not however supporting his eventual victory , I'm flabergusted to say the least that in spite of his stated position on the Syrian conflict in that the USA should not be involved , he embarks on an act, war act, against a sovereign nation.I fully supported his pre election position concerning Syria and establishing good relations with Russia.
In one swift stroke he has demolished all that he stood for prior to the election.The
US has made a huge blunder one that may prove to be the biggest blunder thus far.
A big big mistake , let us hope that no further blunders are about to take place. For the record I do not believe that the chemical attack was carried out on Assad's orders. A dictator he may be but stupid no.He is winning the war why on earth would he carry out this attack on his own people.
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