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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:03 pm

miltiades wrote:Robin, I think most have exhausted their views on the Syrian issue, my self included. On entering this discussion a few years back i clearly stated my absolute opposition to any involvement by the West, namely the US Britain and others.
Im , to say the least , flabbergasted at the initial demand by the West that Assad should step down and that somehow western style democracy could be introduced to this region.

I also said that democracy, as we know it in the West, can NEVER be established in nations where theocracy rules.
Thousands upon thousands killed , refugees flooding Europe, yet Assad still rules.
Let them get on with it, only a dictatorship can rule these countries.


But the Syrian conflict is still dragging on, so there must still be views as you have expressed yourself and I whole heartedly agree with those views. The problem I see is that the war mongering is spreading and the rogue is the West ..... led of course by the US and its NATO supplicants, including the UK. The one thing I do disagree with is that you assume the West has democracy ....... I think those days are gone! :(

But there is still interest in events in Syria although not a lot of comments as the thread still gets many views, every day. :wink:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:34 am

...indeed, it is a very useful topic; it is all here: all these years.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:54 pm

Turkey invades Syria to face anti-Damascus rebels

https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/ ... cus-rebels

The convoy included about 30 military vehicles, said Abu Khairo, a commander in a Free Syrian Army (FSA) rebel group based in the area, and it entered Syria near the Bab al-Hawa border crossing, according to a civilian witness.

It was heading to Sheikh Barakat, a hilltop that overlooks large areas of rebel-held northwestern Syria, but also the Afrin area held by the Kurdish YPG militia.

The invasion had been expected. Russia, Syria and Turkey have been discussing a deal for the Turkish involvement.

The convoy was escorted by fighters from Tahrir al-Sham, an alliance of jihadist groups including the former al Qaeda affiliate previously known as the Nusra Front, Abu Khairo said.


...more news; "de-escalation"
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:56 pm

At least this has been confirmed by a BBC News report, otherwise the report would be questionable as the source of the details of some of this report was the SOHR who are a dubious anti-Assad source (one man) based in Coventry UK. But this seems to be genuine and backs several reports of US Forces involvement in Syria which are still supporting ISIS and other anti- Assad terrorist groups as well as the Turkish proxies.

Free Passage Deal For ISIS In Raqqa - U.S. Denies Involvement - Video Proves It Lies

After free passage negotiations with the U.S. and its Kurdish proxy forces, ISIS is moving its fighters out of Raqqa city. When the Syrian government reached similar agreements the U.S. childishly criticized it. The U.S. coalition claims that it was "not involved in the discussions" that led to the Raqqa free passage agreement. A BBC News report shows that the opposite is true.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/10/free-passage-deal-for-isis-in-raqqa-us-denies-involvement-video-proves-it-lies.html
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:40 pm

So, now confirmed is what most informed people knew anyway! The US and Israel were behind the war in Syria from day one.

It was all to get rid of Assad because the US/Israel wanted someone more amenable to their cause in power ......... the Syrian people and what they wanted were the least of their concerns!

All that death and destruction at the hands of the US and it’s coalition partners ....... and all of it for nothing!
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As for compensation ...... I don’t think the Syrians should hold their breath on that one? The US has NEVER paid reparations to any country that it has destroyed, neither have the British.

In Shocking Interview, Qatar Confesses Secrets Behind Syrian War - By Tyler Durden

A television interview of a top Qatari official confessing the truth behind the origins of the war in Syria is going viral across Arabic social media during the same week a leaked top secret NSA document was published which confirms that the armed opposition in Syria was under the direct command of foreign governments from the early years of the conflict.

And according to a well-known Syria analyst and economic adviser with close contacts in the Syrian government, the explosive interview constitutes a high level "public admission to collusion and coordination between four countries to destabilize an independent state, [including] possible support for Nusra/al-Qaeda." Importantly, "this admission will help build case for what Damascus sees as an attack on its security & sovereignty. It will form basis for compensation claims."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48117.htm
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:13 am

Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction all over again? The accusations made then against Saddam were false as much as these are against Assad and, just like with Iraq, those that question the evidence are ignored.

None of this has been covered in the MSM only the accusations in a very questionable OPCW report. Once again we get the ‘Case for the Prosecution’ but the case for the defence is ignored.

The Trumped-Up Syria-Sarin Case - By Rick Sterling - November 4, 2017

As Israel threatens an expanded war against Syria and Lebanon, an emotional justification is the alleged April 4 sarin attack that was blamed on the Syrian government despite huge holes in the evidence, as Rick Sterling reports.


Today we have something similarly (To Iraq’s WMD’s) ridiculous and dangerous. Supposedly the Syrian government decided to use a banned chemical weapon, which they gave up in 2013-2014. Despite advancing against the insurgents, the Syrian government supposedly put sarin in a Russian chemical weapon canister and dropped this on the town Khan Sheikhoun which has been under the control of Syria’s version of Al Qaeda for years. To top off the stupidity, they left paint markings on the canister, which identify it as a chemical weapon.

Supposedly the Syrian government did this despite knowing there are many “White Helmet” activists in the town along with their cameras, videos, computers, Internet uplinks and Western social media promoters. Supposedly the Syrian government did this despite knowing that neoconservatives, neoliberals and Zionists are keen to prolong the conflict and drag the U.S. and NATO into it more directly. Supposedly the Syrian government did this despite knowing the one thing that could trigger direct U.S. aggression in the conflict is the use of chemical weapons: the “red line” laid down by Barack Obama.

If the above sounds unlikely, it is. But even if these accusations should be laughed out of the room, as they should have been in 2002, let’s take the claims about the event at Khan Sheikhoun in Syria on April 4 seriously if, for no other reason, than that certainly the consequences will be serious if the exploitation of this incident is not stopped.

What Happened at Khan Sheikhoun?

The report titled “Seventh report of the OPCW-UN Joint Investigative Mechanism” was provided to select governments and media on Oct. 26. The world’s media announced the key finding without criticism or question: the sentence that the committee is “confident that the Syrian Arab Republic is responsible for the release of sarin in Khan Shaykhun on 4 April 2017.”

About 36 hours later, the report was leaked via the Internet. But the die was already cast as establishment media had “confirmed” Syrian guilt.

Following are key contradictions and inconsistencies in the report produced by the Joint Investigative Mechanism of the U.N. and Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW).

Full article …… with links:

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/11/04/the-trumped-up-syria-sarin-case/
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby De_Tomaso » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:41 pm

RH,

Re your quote: "So, now confirmed is what most informed people knew anyway! The US and Israel were behind the war in Syria from day one."

I followed your links above, read them all but cannot see anything that backs up your statement above, especially the 'day one' point.

Can you please point me to this, from your links?

Btw, I'm not disputing the fact that from the early days Syria's civil war became a proxy war with foreign entities guiding and supplying foreign fighters, advisors and weapons.

I happen to believe that this conflict started locally in Daraa followed by an over-reaction by police and regime soldiers.

Of course, I could be wrong.

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Re: The war against Syria

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:09 pm

De_Tomaso wrote:RH,

Re your quote: "So, now confirmed is what most informed people knew anyway! The US and Israel were behind the war in Syria from day one."

I followed your links above, read them all but cannot see anything that backs up your statement above, especially the 'day one' point.

Can you please point me to this, from your links?

Btw, I'm not disputing the fact that from the early days Syria's civil war became a proxy war with foreign entities guiding and supplying foreign fighters, advisors and weapons.

I happen to believe that this conflict started locally in Daraa followed by an over-reaction by police and regime soldiers.

Of course, I could be wrong.

DT


There are a number of Stories that weapons were being found smuggled into Syria from Iraq before the violence started, and that armed groups may have inflamed the situation, possibly firing first, possibly into the crowd, but in any event before government security forces opened fire.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/daraa-2011-syrias-islamist-insurrection-in-disguise/5460547

I pass this on on an "as is where is basis, with all faults as lying", since whether this is reliable or not is another matter. This particular site has been described by some as "conspiracists". Other reports tell the version you prefer.

The whole story in Syria is so full of propaganda from all parties that it is hard to know what is true and what is not.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:46 pm

De_Tomaso wrote:RH,

Re your quote: "So, now confirmed is what most informed people knew anyway! The US and Israel were behind the war in Syria from day one."

I followed your links above, read them all but cannot see anything that backs up your statement above, especially the 'day one' point.

Can you please point me to this, from your links?

Btw, I'm not disputing the fact that from the early days Syria's civil war became a proxy war with foreign entities guiding and supplying foreign fighters, advisors and weapons.

I happen to believe that this conflict started locally in Daraa followed by an over-reaction by police and regime soldiers.

Of course, I could be wrong.

DT


DT, the links I posted are updates covering current day situations. My comment was based on previously gained knowledge and I think STUDS link sum up what I was implying in that comment

Looked at in real terms the war in Syria was an insurgency funded, armed and supported by the US/CIA from very early days. It went from a civil uprising to a full blown insurgency very quickly. I don't think there is any doubt the US have been supporting the 'Syrian' anti-Assad rebels .... although the majority of them were not Syrians......... since very early days as the US admits doing so through the CIA at the beginning and then overtly by direct government support.
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby miltiades » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:25 pm

The USA and its allies should have listened to the old boy way back in October 2012.

Re: The war against Syria

by Milti » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:56 am

Turkeys reaction to the Syrian shelling and the killing of 5 civilians was not excessive and understandable given the fact that every sovereign nation has an absolute right to defend its citizens and its territory. I hope that Turkey does not carry out the wishes of the West in this instance. Syria must be left alone to solve its own problems, Russia, in my opinion as well as China are absolutely right in not supporting the revolutionaries infested with Islamic extremists and Jihadis. The West is making a dreadful error in contributing financially to the revolutionaries aided and abated by extremist Islamists who come to Syria from all corners of the world.Stay out of Syria is the best option and the only option that the West should consider.
Back to Turkey and her undeniable right to defend its borders, lets hope that she may also realize the folly of her actions in invading and occupying a large part of a sovereign nation, our Cyprus.. Many nations are critical of Turkey and her hypocrisy in presenting herself as a defender of sovereignty whilst 40 thousand of her troops are occupying the northern parts of Cyprus.
The pseudo state she created and controls is a corrupt unrecognized entity, yet Turkey refuses to recognize the RoC which the entire world does. Its time for Turkey to realize that the 38 year occupation can not go on for ever, it damages her greatly in the eyes of the world, its bad for her economy and its detrimental to her ambitions to become a serious power in the ME.its also time for all Cypriots to embrace their true and only motherland, the island of Cyprus, the other two so called motherlands have brought us nothing but pain and suffering, propaganda and indoctrination. Cypriots stand up and swear alliance to our island, our beautiful sweet sunny Cyprus.
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