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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:59 am

Robin Hood wrote:P.S.

Note! Even the DM’s Peter Osborne says the people regard the FSA and the ‘moderates’ Islamists as the enemy, have made life a living hell and they are desperately waiting for Assad’s forces to rescue them and throw the US coalition’s good guys out. As I said previously, the true stories of the Syrian peoples suffering under the FSA and their partners, is now coming out into the open. :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3436456/Inside-city-damned-human-tide-flees-Aleppo-Europe-PETER-OBORNE-sends-devastating-dispatch-war-torn-Syrian-city.html


I picture you as a Cyprus mail reader too RH! :lol:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:18 am

Robin Hood wrote:P.S.

Note! Even the DM’s Peter Osborne says the people regard the FSA and the ‘moderates’ Islamists as the enemy, have made life a living hell and they are desperately waiting for Assad’s forces to rescue them and throw the US coalition’s good guys out. As I said previously, the true stories of the Syrian peoples suffering under the FSA and their partners, is now coming out into the open. :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3436456/Inside-city-damned-human-tide-flees-Aleppo-Europe-PETER-OBORNE-sends-devastating-dispatch-war-torn-Syrian-city.html


PS: This is my favourite journalist ever. A British Greek Cypriot who has been to the front lines and seen it all for real.

He is the most reliable source of all! A lot more reliable than any of your sources!



And yes, he has been face to face with Al-Nusra.

And here is part 1 of a 6 part series he did in 2012 when the FSA existed in its own right. The FSA is now a coalition member of the much larger SDF now. Come on RH, this is the behind the scenes look at the FSA.

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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:39 am

Robin Hood wrote:P.S.

Note! Even the DM’s Peter Osborne says the people regard the FSA and the ‘moderates’ Islamists as the enemy, have made life a living hell and they are desperately waiting for Assad’s forces to rescue them and throw the US coalition’s good guys out. As I said previously, the true stories of the Syrian peoples suffering under the FSA and their partners, is now coming out into the open. :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3436456/Inside-city-damned-human-tide-flees-Aleppo-Europe-PETER-OBORNE-sends-devastating-dispatch-war-torn-Syrian-city.html


PS2: Vice news has actually had exclusive access to Raqqa. They sent another brave journalist (Medyan Dairieh) into Raqqa who gave us a unique insight into DAESH.

This is a genuinely very credible source which has given us unique unseen insights into the Syrian War.

I suggest you watch these videos too rather than subscribe to the propaganda feeds.

Vice News targets the younger demographic and are very prolific on Social Media like Facebook. And yes, I will click on LIKE! You stick to your Peter Osborne geeser, Smirnoff and RT and I will stick to my Vice News, Syriac Council, and Human Rights Observatory of Syria.

Now, time to meet ISIL.

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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:15 pm

Paphitis:

At least I read your posts and watch the videos ........... which I suspect, is more than you do. This is your ‘reliable’ source! :roll:

VICE reporter Medyan Dairieh speaks about his stay in the Islamic State [English Subtitles]

(I have searched for an independent profile of this guy that will indicate his origins, education and qualifications ..... and I can find nothing. He seems to have just appeared out of nowhere and has NO history !)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xjLGLg5ZLk

This guy is an ardent supporter and an apologist for the Caliphate (ISIS/ISIL/IS/DAESH ...... whatever!). If you rely on this terrorist for your view of events then you are easily fooled and also indirectly propagating Islamic fundamentalism.

Call them whatever name you like ...... if it looks like an Islamist ...... sounds like an Islamist ........ and acts like an Islamist .........IT IS AN ISLAMIST! :x

The FSA is a spent force, most of them are either dead, switched to Daesh or took up Assad’s offer of an amnesty. There is no difference between the ‘moderates’ and Daesh hardliners. They are all animals and have to be sent to Paradise ASAP.

Your other source, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is much the same as this mouthpiece for Islamist extremism/terrorism. Both of these people will go on trial after Assad gets the country back together, charged with being supporters of a terrorist organisation and encouraging terrorism ........... like Nurmburg they should both get the death penalty.

As for ‘Vice News’ ...... does the fact that Murdock has invested $70m into its parent company (Vice Media) not indicate to you that it is NOT an independent source?

Look up Vice Media or Vice News on Wikipedia. :wink:
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Re: The war against Syria

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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:01 pm

Give it a couple of weeks and the rebels will be no more! Looks like Kerry has thrown in the towel and conceded that Assad stays, that the Russian initiative has been a resounding success and it will at last be the Syrian people who will decide their future ........... just as Putin said from day one!

“Don’t blame me – go and blame your opposition,’” an exasperated Kerry told aid workers on the sidelines of the Syria donor conference in London this week.

America’s top diplomat also said that the country should expect another three months of bombing that would “decimate” the opposition, according to Middle East Eye who also says that Kerry left the aid workers with “the distinct impression” that the US is abandoning efforts to support rebel fighters.

In other words, Washington has come to terms with the fact that there’s only one way out of this now. It’s either go to war with Russia and Iran or admit that this particular effort to bring about regime change in the Mid-East simply isn’t salvageable.

“He said that basically, it was the opposition that didn’t want to negotiate and didn’t want a ceasefire, and they walked away,” a second aid worker told MEE.

“‘What do you want me to do? Go to war with Russia? Is that what you want?’” the aid worker said Kerry told her.


http://www.blacklistednews.com/An_Exasperated_John_Kerry_Throws_In_Towel_On_Syria%3A_%E2%80%9CWhat_Do_You_Want_Me_To_Do%2C_Go_To_War_With_The_Russians%3F%21%E2%80%9D/48731/0/38/38/Y/M.html

A non-political view of Syria of yesterday and of the Syria of today. No violence or blood just a view by a lady who has lived in Syria for over 20 years and is well informed at the level of ordinary civilians as well as higher up the ladder. I don’t think Sister Miriam is particularly biased ....... just listen to what she says ...... her English is not too good but it is understandable.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/video-what-was-syria-like-before-the-war-a-conversation-with-mother-agnes-mariam/5506421
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:40 pm

Is your partner Turkey or PYD, Erdoğan asks US.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/is-you ... sCatID=510


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Erdogan is beginning to crack up. With the above statement, he is alike a amateur poker player going "ALL-IN" with a pair of deuces. :lol:

He acts like a neglected child by foster parents! :lol: What a cry baby he has turned out to be for a leader of a country. He and Davutoglu compliment each other of being cry babies. :lol:

He better hope that the USA does not give him an answer that he won't like, because he will not get the answer that he would like. The USA cannot openly choose Turkey over the PYD, because that would be like sending the PYD to the open arms of Russia to welcome them, much more than they already have thus far.

Lets assume the USA will put Erdogan on it's knees and say to him, "come come now little boy, stop crying. I'm always here for you to protect you until you grow up to become a man so not to cry all the time", does Erdogn thinks he will be able to attack the PYD? He is delusional if he thinks that, because all the PYD needs to do is to go from one pimp for protection, the USA, to another pimp for protection, Russia, and we are back to square one. If the USA were to let the PYD go for Erdogan, then the USA better forget about having any military bases in Syria...period.

Perhaps the USA should remind Erdogan why he wasn't with the USA the first 4 years of the war in Syria when Turkey kept her air bases off limity to the USA, so that the USA would not attack Erdogan terrorist friends, the ISIS in Syria.
Looks like Erdogan is stuck between a rock, the USA and a hard place, Russia. :lol:
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:57 am

Robin Hood wrote:
At least I read your posts and watch the videos ........... which I suspect, is more than you do. This is your ‘reliable’ source! :roll:


Sure I read your posts. And I have come to the conclusion that your views (which you are entitled to have) are bent.

Robin Hood wrote:VICE reporter Medyan Dairieh speaks about his stay in the Islamic State [English Subtitles]


(I have searched for an independent profile of this guy that will indicate his origins, education and qualifications ..... and I can find nothing. He seems to have just appeared out of nowhere and has NO history !)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xjLGLg5ZLk


I already saw that video and there is nothing in it to suggest he is an apologist for DAESH. The journalists is also an American Citizen and lives in the USA so you would thing the CIA would have noticed if he was.

Is the Greek Cypriot journalist also an apologist? You don't like these journalists because they risk their lives to bring us the truth and Vice has a habit of doing this and pushing the boundaries.

That's great mate. my wife is a journalist and she does not have her qualifications on any of her profiles. But she has 3 degrees, worked in labs before becoming a reporter and recently earned a Doctorate.

Robin Hood wrote:This guy is an ardent supporter and an apologist for the Caliphate (ISIS/ISIL/IS/DAESH ...... whatever!). If you rely on this terrorist for your view of events then you are easily fooled and also indirectly propagating Islamic fundamentalism.


I value his contribution because he gave me insight into something so elusive.

And no, he is no supporter of the caliphate, but he is Sunni. Probably the reason why he can get away with these things.

Robin Hood wrote:Call them whatever name you like ...... if it looks like an Islamist ...... sounds like an Islamist ........ and acts like an Islamist .........IT IS AN ISLAMIST! :x


If you sound like an Jihadist, walks like a Jihadist, and acts like a jihadist, it is a Jihadist Mr Hezbollah supporter.

You're also a supporter of war crimes. End of!

Robin Hood wrote:The FSA is a spent force, most of them are either dead, switched to Daesh or took up Assad’s offer of an amnesty. There is no difference between the ‘moderates’ and Daesh hardliners. They are all animals and have to be sent to Paradise ASAP.


Get it right. It's the Syrian Democratic Forces now and that includes other militias, ethnicities, and religious creeds which means they are no Jihadists.

Your Hezbollah though is a different kettle of fish and you are terrorising the people of Syria.

Robin Hood wrote:Your other source, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is much the same as this mouthpiece for Islamist extremism/terrorism. Both of these people will go on trial after Assad gets the country back together, charged with being supporters of a terrorist organisation and encouraging terrorism ........... like Nurmburg they should both get the death penalty.


Isn't it great how there are some people working hard to get to the truth. And the world is noticing mate. Which is why you have lost the war. So we expect the full unconditional surrender of Assad shortly, when our kind offer of transition is no longer on the table.

Robin Hood wrote:As for ‘Vice News’ ...... does the fact that Murdock has invested $70m into its parent company (Vice Media) not indicate to you that it is NOT an independent source?


No!. My wife was on the payroll for 10 years with Murdoch and that does not indicate anything to me. Vice News is not one of Murdoch's traditional outlets. It has a different market altogether, and he is only a share holder and not majority owner.

The owners are a bunch of young kids 20s to 30s, and have their correspondents all over the world getting paid per story.

In addition, you are making a wild accusation here at Murdoch to even suggest he is an ardent supporter of DAESH. Dangerous territory there RH!
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:03 am

Kikapu wrote:
Is your partner Turkey or PYD, Erdoğan asks US.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/is-you ... sCatID=510


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Erdogan is beginning to crack up. With the above statement, he is alike a amateur poker player going "ALL-IN" with a pair of deuces. :lol:

He acts like a neglected child by foster parents! :lol: What a cry baby he has turned out to be for a leader of a country. He and Davutoglu compliment each other of being cry babies. :lol:

He better hope that the USA does not give him an answer that he won't like, because he will not get the answer that he would like. The USA cannot openly choose Turkey over the PYD, because that would be like sending the PYD to the open arms of Russia to welcome them, much more than they already have thus far.

Lets assume the USA will put Erdogan on it's knees and say to him, "come come now little boy, stop crying. I'm always here for you to protect you until you grow up to become a man so not to cry all the time", does Erdogn thinks he will be able to attack the PYD? He is delusional if he thinks that, because all the PYD needs to do is to go from one pimp for protection, the USA, to another pimp for protection, Russia, and we are back to square one. If the USA were to let the PYD go for Erdogan, then the USA better forget about having any military bases in Syria...period.

Perhaps the USA should remind Erdogan why he wasn't with the USA the first 4 years of the war in Syria when Turkey kept her air bases off limity to the USA, so that the USA would not attack Erdogan terrorist friends, the ISIS in Syria.
Looks like Erdogan is stuck between a rock, the USA and a hard place, Russia. :lol:


We are ok Kikapu. The Coalition has been quite nice to turkey despite it attacking our allies. We are happy to nurture this child and get it out of the naughty corner once it promises to behave itself and do what its told.

We are like responsible parents trying to teach manners here, but since this is Turkey, it might take some time and perseverance.

We got some nice toys for Turkey to play with if it wants to go the Syrian sandpit and play with them all the way to aleppo! But no fighting with the YPG and play nice with them.

Now there there ...
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Re: The war against Syria

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:41 am

erolz66 wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35521801


Although the article starts by identifying Assad as the bad guy, as you read down, the accusations apply to both sides, including the 'moderates' and certainly all the other Islamic terrorist groups. So the criticism of the Human Rights people is across the board and it is the BBC that specifically introduces Assad as the bad guy, not the report. But it is not what is said that is so significant but the way it is written and what is not said that is just as significant.

I think what is said is almost certainly true. I read a couple of paragraphs in a report from Syria (can't find it now) and what they were saying, and it does make sense, is that as Assad's Forces take over more and more of the rebel held territory, these rebels are hiding in with the refugees fleeing the fighting and are being pointed out to the SAA by the people they have been terrorising for years. :o :roll:

It would therefore be reasonable to assume that the Army Intelligence guys are not going to offer them a piece of cake, a cup of tea and a comfy chair for a sit down and a cosy chat!!!!!! :roll:

The last paragraph recounts the woman who lost her husband and two of her sons to the Assad security people and they died whilst presumably in custody. The reason for their death was obviously a fabrication. But that is all we know! They were obviously Muslim, most likely anti-Assad and maybe very vocal about it. They may also have been strict Muslims, enough to make them join the Jihad and go and fight for the cause. Were they some of these fighters who terrorised civilians? Were they some of those fingered by those same civilians? That we don't know and never will.

To be pragmatic, Syria is a very active war zone and these abuses happen in every war and on all sides. The US, UK, Saudi, Turkey and virtually any country in Africa are all guilty of the same crimes to varying degrees. So I take the report as just a small window into the overall picture and is not JUST an Assad abuse of human rights. :wink:

I regard my self as being a fairly calm character and civilised but I have to be honest and say that if I were in the shoes of the Syrian people, I am not sure I could resisit the temptation to 'get-my-own-back' ...... I might even enjoy it! :twisted:
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