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[Lordo]

finally a western country has woken up.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-set-to-cease-airstrikes-against-isis-as-syrians-need-help-not-vengeance-a6862491.html

[Garavnoss]

finally a western country has woken up.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canada-set-to-cease-airstrikes-against-isis-as-syrians-need-help-not-vengeance-a6862491.html

The first of many....... IS will have them ALL under control soon enough, the Yanks and the Brits are shitting themselves.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

When have your sources actually written about the HR and War Crime violations of Assad?

They don’t go in for fiction, so they let the SOHR make all the wild claims and then point out the errors!

We want Assad out and we are not stopping until we have his head! End of.

Looks like you have a long wait?

The Syrian/Russian coalition has the upper hand as they are succeeding on all fronts. Even the US has reluctantly acknowledged that fact. The Syrian people will eventually get what they want ...... free and fair elections under the supervision of the UN, just like Russia has been trying to get the US to accept since 2012. It is odds on, from the reports that your sources never cover, that Assad will most likely be the people’s choice. Reports are coming out of the abuses committed by the US supported rebels and simply on that count alone, the Syrian people would NEVER accept the Islamic State that the FSA and the rebels are striving for. (and the US?)

The rebels want a cease fire .......... and the Assad/Russians I think, will give it to them with strings! IMO: A UN monitored cease fire will be granted for a limited time and the Russians/SAA will create safe corridors for the civilians to leave the Aleppo area. Any violation of the ceasefire or interference with the civilians escaping from the FSA+, will result in an immediate resumption of hostilities. At the end of the ceasefire, the FSA+ will be given two options 1) lay down your arms and surrender or 2) Fight to the death ........ no quarter given.

However, the UN Report is quite explicitly about the Assad Regime, but it does refer to violations from both sides. Fundamentally, it is about the thousands of deaths of Syrian custody.

I have no problem with the report. I believe that what they observed was accurate. Now look at it pragmatically?

Assad’s government have prisons and many of them, which inevitably will contain criminals of all shades. Assad is in a state of civil war, so the inmate population will be swelling as the government captures more territory from both the rebels and Daesh. Once inside, I have no doubt that a lot of old scores will be settled and many will never see the light of day again.

It may be a violation of human rights but many of these ‘unfortunates’ will have been identified as human rights abusers themselves by those fleeing the rebel areas. If you think the prison authorities are going to make sure that these people are fed and watered, given medical care, conjugal/family visits and comfortable conditions .......... you have to be living in cloud-cuckoo-land!

The UN Report mentioned violations from both sides, but was very explicit to describe of a policy to exterminate thousands of detainees.

The difference is the opposition forces don’t have prisons! The UN report has presented virtually NO interviews with those held by the opposition or Daesh. Assad does not video his abuse/murder of prisoners and put them up on YouTube. Assad does not use boy soldiers or send out brain washed suicide bombers ........ the opposition do but the report barely touches on those abuses. To me that makes the report very one sided and completely devoid of a practical understanding of what happens in a civil war!

If Assad is guilty of these sort of accusations he should stand trial .......... but he should have to wait for his day in Court until people like Blair, Bush, Rice, Powel, Straw, Cheney, Sarcozy, Erdogan, Poroshenko, Saud et al, and without doubt Netanyahu, have been handed their fate for the same or in some cases even worse abuses of human rights. Peoples attitudes are beginning to change very quickly in today’s World and the days of the war mongering elite in the West, the bankers primarily, are coming to a close.

[Robin Hood]

Victory in Aleppo. The Syrian Arab Army is on the Offensive

By capturing Ratyan and Mayer the SAA have managed to cut off the Aleppo-Gaziantep Highway the main terrorist supply route into the province and beyond. Cut off from food and ammunition, surrounded by the SAA, and with nowhere to hide as everywhere the locals are hungry for revenge for the horrors they suffered under terrorist occupation they will be lucky if they escape alive and thousands are already fleeing. The SAA also broke the Siege of Nubbul and al-Zahran where the locals had been starved and terrorized for years they were greeted with tremendous joy it was one of the most uplifting moments since the lifting of the siege of Kuweires airbase last fall.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/victory-in-aleppo-the-syrian-arab-army-is-on-the-offensive/5507091

[Paphitis]

When have your sources actually written about the HR and War Crime violations of Assad?

They don’t go in for fiction, so they let the SOHR make all the wild claims and then point out the errors!

It was a United Nations report based on interviews from 500+ former detainees. There are also many videos which had been released by the Syrian Authorities in the past.

I can't help you I'm afraid.

We want Assad out and we are not stopping until we have his head! End of.

Looks like you have a long wait?

The Syrian/Russian coalition has the upper hand as they are succeeding on all fronts. Even the US has reluctantly acknowledged that fact. The Syrian people will eventually get what they want ...... free and fair elections under the supervision of the UN, just like Russia has been trying to get the US to accept since 2012. It is odds on, from the reports that your sources never cover, that Assad will most likely be the people’s choice. Reports are coming out of the abuses committed by the US supported rebels and simply on that count alone, the Syrian people would NEVER accept the Islamic State that the FSA and the rebels are striving for. (and the US?)

The rebels want a cease fire .......... and the Assad/Russians I think, will give it to them with strings! IMO: A UN monitored cease fire will be granted for a limited time and the Russians/SAA will create safe corridors for the civilians to leave the Aleppo area. Any violation of the ceasefire or interference with the civilians escaping from the FSA+, will result in an immediate resumption of hostilities. At the end of the ceasefire, the FSA+ will be given two options 1) lay down your arms and surrender or 2) Fight to the death ........ no quarter given.

We are moving to Plan B which at the minimum will involve Asymmetric Warfare.

I don't think we are inetrested in any ceasefire with strings. And it is impossible for Assad and Pootin to win this war. What are they going to do? Just return "law and order" over a population that has been butchered by them and which has no legal right in Syria. We are beyond that I'm afraid.

In addition, there will be discussions to day about what this Plan B will involve aside from Asymetric Warfare. The Saudis, Qataris, and the UAE have indicated they they are ready to deploy troops into Syria, and they want American Troops there as well.

Then what? Will the Russians continue to bomb? Good luck.

The issue is not whether Assad gains territory. But can they hold it?

Can they maintain any peace like ever is a more important issue?

So the best thing is for Pootin to just offer up Assad, and re--instate an 18 month transitional administration leading up to UN monitored elections.

We have always been willing to accept elections but certainly not under Assad's one party terms.

However, the UN Report is quite explicitly about the Assad Regime, but it does refer to violations from both sides. Fundamentally, it is about the thousands of deaths of Syrian custody.

I have no problem with the report. I believe that what they observed was accurate. Now look at it pragmatically?

Assad’s government have prisons and many of them, which inevitably will contain criminals of all shades. Assad is in a state of civil war, so the inmate population will be swelling as the government captures more territory from both the rebels and Daesh. Once inside, I have no doubt that a lot of old scores will be settled and many will never see the light of day again.

We are talking about the torture, starvation, and murder of the inmates.

Settling scores is what happens in prisons in the Western World, between inmates and sometimes even murder and assault between inmates.

Assad's prisons are concentration Death Camps. A War Crime in no uncertain terms.

It may be a violation of human rights but many of these ‘unfortunates’ will have been identified as human rights abusers themselves by those fleeing the rebel areas. If you think the prison authorities are going to make sure that these people are fed and watered, given medical care, conjugal/family visits and comfortable conditions .......... you have to be living in cloud-cuckoo-land!

No not just a violation of HR, but a War Crime.

The report is an official UN document and has nothing at all to do with the SOHR.

The UN Report mentioned violations from both sides, but was very explicit to describe of a policy to exterminate thousands of detainees.

The difference is the opposition forces don’t have prisons! The UN report has presented virtually NO interviews with those held by the opposition or Daesh. Assad does not video his abuse/murder of prisoners and put them up on YouTube. Assad does not use boy soldiers or send out brain washed suicide bombers ........ the opposition do but the report barely touches on those abuses. To me that makes the report very one sided and completely devoid of a practical understanding of what happens in a civil war!

Sure we do. We might not have any in Syria at the moment, and this might change very soon, but all our prisons during times of war are compliant with the Geneva Conventions. We certainly do not starve our prisoners, or deny them medical attention until they die.

If Assad is guilty of these sort of accusations he should stand trial .......... but he should have to wait for his day in Court until people like Blair, Bush, Rice, Powel, Straw, Cheney, Sarcozy, Erdogan, Poroshenko, Saud et al, and without doubt Netanyahu, have been handed their fate for the same or in some cases even worse abuses of human rights. Peoples attitudes are beginning to change very quickly in today’s World and the days of the war mongering elite in the West, the bankers primarily, are coming to a close.

Yes he should stand trial. We are happy to take care of this massive undertaking and send him on his merry way to Geneva or Strasbourg. We will even give him proper legal representation, fine food whilst in our care and all the medical attention he requires.

There will be no Capital Punishment either. What's there not to like?

Just hand him over and we will give him this fair trial.

[Paphitis]

Victory in Aleppo. The Syrian Arab Army is on the Offensive

By capturing Ratyan and Mayer the SAA have managed to cut off the Aleppo-Gaziantep Highway the main terrorist supply route into the province and beyond. Cut off from food and ammunition, surrounded by the SAA, and with nowhere to hide as everywhere the locals are hungry for revenge for the horrors they suffered under terrorist occupation they will be lucky if they escape alive and thousands are already fleeing. The SAA also broke the Siege of Nubbul and al-Zahran where the locals had been starved and terrorized for years they were greeted with tremendous joy it was one of the most uplifting moments since the lifting of the siege of Kuweires airbase last fall.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/victory-in-aleppo-the-syrian-arab-army-is-on-the-offensive/5507091

I wouldn't count your chickens if I were you!

We are in for a few twists and turns yet but what is certain is this, the Rebels will continue their fight. There is no chance of peace or a ceasefire after this point.

The Saudis are massing their troops and Armour on the Syrian Border and have apparently confirmed in the last few hours that they will be deploying to Syria.

If that is true then it is curtains for the Assad Regime and pootin doesn't have the balls to bomb the Saudis either.

It's also not unilateral action. QATAR and the UAE will also send troops.

No word from Obama as yet, but he would have no choice. Turkey is also being baited along with the Americans.

So good luck because you gonna need it!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 67636.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/f ... ar-warning

PS: I love Lavrov's humour. He is a funny man!

He warned the Saudis that any intervention will risk a World War!

[repulsewarrior]

U.S. and Russia Announce Plan for Humanitarian Aid and a Cease-Fire in Syria

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/world ... f=cta&_r=0

But the announcement early Friday in Munich marked the first time there was hope of a break in the violence since the civil war broke out in 2011. And it would mark the first large-scale aid to the country, from where millions have fled.

[Robin Hood]

What is coming out of Munich seems to be very different to the opinions you hold?

Paphitis:

We are moving to Plan B which at the minimum will involve Asymmetric Warfare.

I don't think we are interested in any ceasefire with strings. And it is impossible for Assad and Pootin to win this war. What are they going to do? Just return "law and order" over a population that has been butchered by them and which has no legal right in Syria. We are beyond that I'm afraid.

In addition, there will be discussions to day about what this Plan B will involve aside from Asymetric Warfare. The Saudis, Qataris, and the UAE have indicated they they are ready to deploy troops into Syria, and they want American Troops there as well.

Then what? Will the Russians continue to bomb? Good luck.

The issue is not whether Assad gains territory. But can they hold it?

Can they maintain any peace like ever is a more important issue?

So the best thing is for Pootin to just offer up Assad, and re--instate an 18 month transitional administration leading up to UN monitored elections.

We have always been willing to accept elections but certainly not under Assad's one party terms

.

I wouldn't count your chickens if I were you!

We are in for a few twists and turns yet but what is certain is this, the Rebels will continue their fight. There is no chance of peace or a ceasefire after this point.

The Saudis are massing their troops and Armour on the Syrian Border and have apparently confirmed in the last few hours that they will be deploying to Syria.

If that is true then it is curtains for the Assad Regime and pootin doesn't have the balls to bomb the Saudis either.

It's also not unilateral action. QATAR and the UAE will also send troops.

No word from Obama as yet, but he would have no choice. Turkey is also being baited along with the Americans.

So good luck because you gonna need it!

Ooooops, I think you should go back the drawing board and work on Plan 'C' .... don’t you?

I'm defrosting the 'humble pie' in anticipation!!!!

[Robin Hood]

Garavnos:

The first of many....... IS will have them ALL under control soon enough, the Yanks and the Brits are shitting themselves.

Wishful thinking? I can’t think five aircraft will make much difference and IS as a military force is finished anyway or will be within weeks/months but, the ideology will last well into the future, will spread Worldwide and take the lives of thousands!

Syria/Iraq : Just to recap and I may well have got this all wrong but what strikes me is that:

We have two conflicts running in parallel.

In the first (Syria), an elected government is using the air power of a foreign country to destroy terrorist groups trying to take over their country from within (IS + FSA + rebels), whilst they take the war to their enemy using their own government’s ground forces and those of allies.

In the second (Iraq) an elected government is using the air power of a foreign country(ies) to destroy a terrorist group trying to take over their country from within (IS), whilst they take the war to their enemy using their government’s ground forces and those of allies.

In other words they are both fighting a common enemy called IS/ISIS/ISIL/Daesh? But ..........

In Syria the government is fighting the same insurgents as the western coalition is fighting in Iraq (IS) with the legal backing of the Russian Air Force, but the (US) coalition is also arming and supporting another bunch of insurgents in Syria who are trying to overthrow the Syrian government (FSA+ various .moderate’ rebel groups) but who themselves are in turn, also fighting (supposedly) the same bunch of insurgents as the Syrian Government (IS). In addition a member of the Western coalition (Turkey) is supporting terrorists (Turkomen?) who are also intent on overthrowing the legitimate Syrian government as well as fighting IS (supposedly)

The Syrian government also has the support of Iranian and Hezbollah as boots on the ground and they have prevented the US backed FSA+ from completely overwhelming the SAA.

Another group of insurgents (PKK?) are fighting Turkey and IS and occupy part of Syria. Several other members (Saudi, Bahrain, Qatar et al) of the US coalition are also threatening to mobilise and illegally send combat troops into Syria to supposedly fight the first lot of insurgents (IS) but are opposed to the Syrian government and support and arm the FSA+ who are fighting a civil war using many foreign fighters (Mercenaries) to change the regime in Syria.

If I have missed out any group’s who are fighting Assad I apologise for the omission!

In Iraq the government is fighting the same insurgents as the Assad/Russian coalition is fighting in Syria (IS) with the legal backing of the US/coalition air forces and is backed by 60 countries (in theory only about 5-6 are military active in the air)

That’s it!!!!! .......... the US coalition are not having to fight anyone BUT IS/ISIL/ISIS/Daesh or whatever name they call themselves by! Nobody else is attacking the US coalition.

The US coalition has been active and ‘destroying’ IS, for over two years but is virtually in a stale mate as IS still occupy large swathes of Iraq and Syria. In contrast and in spite of the Syrian government having to fight enemies on about four different fronts, with the Russians entering the conflict to legally support the Syrian government just 17 weeks ago they have driven back both IS and the FSA+ on almost every front and now have some 5000 insurgents trapped in a cauldron centred around Aleppo, along with an estimated 300K civilians.

There have obviously been civilian casualties, which is inevitable in any conflict more so in a civil war, but when an authoritative source such as the BBC are caught out using archive footage to wrongly accuse Russian bombing for the damage and the deaths in Aleppo, then the figures of casualties cannot be relied upon. This Syrian Observatory also misleads by giving ‘civilian’ casualty figures which include Islamic fighters and foreign fighters.

Although there has been the opportunity to formulate a ceasefire many times since 2012, the US coalition has always refused to discuss this ...... until now that is, when they at last realise that the rebels they back are being thrashed by Assad and the Russian coalition, in fact it is a complete rout!

Russia has presented a plan, which no doubt the US will ignore unless it covers all the demands of the Rebels. But Russia and Assad have the upper hand ........ they are winning the battle and the US/coalition and the rebels, are on the losing side. Without risking an escalation the US will have to accept that the best they will get from Assad and Russia, is concessions. That is the way it works!

If the Saudi’s are stupid enough to invade Syria, the Russia/Assad coalition will wipe them out ..... and the US will NOT get involved, neither will members of the coalition. NATO principals are that they will join forces to protect a member who has/is being attacked ....... they have no obligation to support any member country that is the instigator of the hostilities. If you want an example think about Saddam and Kuwait? The US turned a blind eye to the threat from Saddam and it is suggested, even told Saddam they would not interfere ...... that was until he made his move. Saudi should note what happens when the US decides you have served your purpose and have morphed into a liability! Look at Iraq now ...... the perfect example of a once prosperous nation that is now a failed state. Libya was the same story and there are several other examples.

[Paphitis]

What is coming out of Munich seems to be very different to the opinions you hold?

Paphitis:

We are moving to Plan B which at the minimum will involve Asymmetric Warfare.

I don't think we are interested in any ceasefire with strings. And it is impossible for Assad and Pootin to win this war. What are they going to do? Just return "law and order" over a population that has been butchered by them and which has no legal right in Syria. We are beyond that I'm afraid.

In addition, there will be discussions to day about what this Plan B will involve aside from Asymetric Warfare. The Saudis, Qataris, and the UAE have indicated they they are ready to deploy troops into Syria, and they want American Troops there as well.

Then what? Will the Russians continue to bomb? Good luck.

The issue is not whether Assad gains territory. But can they hold it?

Can they maintain any peace like ever is a more important issue?

So the best thing is for Pootin to just offer up Assad, and re--instate an 18 month transitional administration leading up to UN monitored elections.

We have always been willing to accept elections but certainly not under Assad's one party terms

.

I wouldn't count your chickens if I were you!

We are in for a few twists and turns yet but what is certain is this, the Rebels will continue their fight. There is no chance of peace or a ceasefire after this point.

The Saudis are massing their troops and Armour on the Syrian Border and have apparently confirmed in the last few hours that they will be deploying to Syria.

If that is true then it is curtains for the Assad Regime and pootin doesn't have the balls to bomb the Saudis either.

It's also not unilateral action. QATAR and the UAE will also send troops.

No word from Obama as yet, but he would have no choice. Turkey is also being baited along with the Americans.

So good luck because you gonna need it!

Ooooops, I think you should go back the drawing board and work on Plan 'C' .... don’t you?

I'm defrosting the 'humble pie' in anticipation!!!!

Yes the humble pie is a great idea since you will need it.

Whew are only buying time.

Here is the situation. If we hold Aleppo, which is likely, then we will go for the ceasefire as per our terms which are to allow aid in. If we do not hold onto Aleppo, then we do not need any ceasefire but we do need time to prepare the the deployment of our troops.

What we anticipate is Assad violating the ceasefire by blocking the supply corridors for aid. But the good thing is that we get a week for preparations for the Saudi Invasion.

Watch and learn!

Oh btw, Coalition air strikes have begun around Aleppo.