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Re: To all who deny Cypriot Greekness, you fail!!!!!

Postby wyoming cowboy » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:56 am

I may have alittle Gus Portokalis in me but i did read an article that stated that the Baskic language, which i interpreted as being the language of the Basque region, has Greek roots here is the link

http://www.add.gr/art/grwords/power.htm

I also did see somewhere that a dna connection was found between the greeks and basques people. Nevertheless i cant find that link now
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Re: To all who deny Cypriot Greekness, you fail!!!!!

Postby ZoC » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:46 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:interesting that you mention Spain, i was reading something recently that describes the Basque region of Spain as having Greek roots, the dna of the basque is identical to the Greeks, and also their language has Greek roots....


Gus Portokali is alive and well and posting on CF.

The name Basque may have Greek roots but the Basques call themselves Euskara and their language has no identified connection with any other European language, (which are mostly indo Europaen, amd which family includes Greek). It is an Isolate. Do not otherwise confuse a label for an area or a people which may be popular but imposed from outside.

The gentics show Basques are mostly R1b but this haplogroup is not prominent in Greece.

There is little except in the deranged minds of psuedo scientists to connect the Basques to Greece.


hey stud... the word "moron" has greek roots too. must be in the dna.
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Re: To all who deny Cypriot Greekness, you fail!!!!!

Postby kurupetos » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:08 pm

Cap wrote:Forgive me.. but I have a hard time connecting Ancient Greece to the modern state.
Although I give credit to the awesome splendor of the ancients, how they've influenced every corner of the earth... the burning question remains:

What on Gawd's beautiful green earth happened after April 6, 1453?
Even more burning... after 1821?

Exactly! You shouldn't compare ancient Greece/Greeks with the modern Greek state.

Cypriots are descendants of the ancient Greeks and not the modern Greeks (Kalamaraes).

I hope it's all clear now. We're Hellenes! :wink:
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Re: To all who deny Cypriot Greekness, you fail!!!!!

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:50 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Cap wrote:Forgive me.. but I have a hard time connecting Ancient Greece to the modern state.
Although I give credit to the awesome splendor of the ancients, how they've influenced every corner of the earth... the burning question remains:

What on Gawd's beautiful green earth happened after April 6, 1453?
Even more burning... after 1821?

Exactly! You shouldn't compare ancient Greece/Greeks with the modern Greek state.

Cypriots are descendants of the ancient Greeks and not the modern Greeks (Kalamaraes).

I hope it's all clear now. We're Hellenes! :wink:

Bullsh*t. Cypriots are descended from Ancient Cypriots. Hellenism was imposed by virtue of conquest not settlement.
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Re: To all who deny Cypriot Greekness, you fail!!!!!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:06 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Cap wrote:Forgive me.. but I have a hard time connecting Ancient Greece to the modern state.
Although I give credit to the awesome splendor of the ancients, how they've influenced every corner of the earth... the burning question remains:

What on Gawd's beautiful green earth happened after April 6, 1453?
Even more burning... after 1821?

Exactly! You shouldn't compare ancient Greece/Greeks with the modern Greek state.

Cypriots are descendants of the ancient Greeks and not the modern Greeks (Kalamaraes).

I hope it's all clear now. We're Hellenes! :wink:


That's not very accurate. There have been other waves of migrations, to and fro, and continual mixing up to and including the present day.
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Re: To all who deny Cypriot Greekness, you fail!!!!!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:08 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Bullsh*t. Cypriots are descended from Ancient Cypriots. Hellenism was imposed by virtue of conquest not settlement.


"The Greek Cypriots, who constitute nearly four-fifths of the population, descended from a mixture of aboriginal inhabitants and immigrants from the Peloponnese who colonized Cyprus starting about 1200 bc and assimilated subsequent settlers up to the 16th century." Britannica
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Re: To all who deny Cypriot Greekness, you fail!!!!!

Postby kurupetos » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:54 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Cap wrote:Forgive me.. but I have a hard time connecting Ancient Greece to the modern state.
Although I give credit to the awesome splendor of the ancients, how they've influenced every corner of the earth... the burning question remains:

What on Gawd's beautiful green earth happened after April 6, 1453?
Even more burning... after 1821?

Exactly! You shouldn't compare ancient Greece/Greeks with the modern Greek state.

Cypriots are descendants of the ancient Greeks and not the modern Greeks (Kalamaraes).

I hope it's all clear now. We're Hellenes! :wink:


That's not very accurate. There have been other waves of migrations, to and fro, and continual mixing up to and including the present day.

The point I was trying to make is that Hellenism is neither restricted, nor depended, to the modern Greek state.

Over the years, Hellenism has flourished throughout the whole world and will never die, even if the Rep. of Greece will vanish tomorrow. :wink:
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Re: To all who deny Cypriot Greekness, you fail!!!!!

Postby kurupetos » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:58 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Cap wrote:Forgive me.. but I have a hard time connecting Ancient Greece to the modern state.
Although I give credit to the awesome splendor of the ancients, how they've influenced every corner of the earth... the burning question remains:

What on Gawd's beautiful green earth happened after April 6, 1453?
Even more burning... after 1821?

Exactly! You shouldn't compare ancient Greece/Greeks with the modern Greek state.

Cypriots are descendants of the ancient Greeks and not the modern Greeks (Kalamaraes).

I hope it's all clear now. We're Hellenes! :wink:

Bullsh*t. Cypriots are descended from Ancient Cypriots. Hellenism was imposed by virtue of conquest not settlement.

Ancient Cypriots? Do you mean those unfortunate Choirokitians that vanished 6000 years ago? :lol:

From UNESCO's official website:
Choirokhoitia and other sites were abandoned abruptly in the mid-6th millennium BC and were not reoccupied until 1,000 years later, in the Ceramic Neolithic period. There is less monumental evidence of occupation in the form of the remains of buildings from this period at Choirokhoitia, but new forms of plant and animal life, as well as the characteristic pottery, have been identified, suggesting that the new inhabitants were members of a fresh immigrant group, whose way of life was again based on agriculture and the raising of domestic animals. The site was finally abandoned in the early 4th millennium BC.


http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/848
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Re: To all who deny Cypriot Greekness, you fail!!!!!

Postby ZoC » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:42 pm

kurupetos wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Exactly! You shouldn't compare ancient Greece/Greeks with the modern Greek state.

Cypriots are descendants of the ancient Greeks and not the modern Greeks (Kalamaraes).

I hope it's all clear now. We're Hellenes! :wink:


That's not very accurate. There have been other waves of migrations, to and fro, and continual mixing up to and including the present day.


and G-I-G is living proof of this continued mix up.
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Re: To all who deny Cypriot Greekness, you fail!!!!!

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:53 pm

kurupetos wrote:Interesting stuff Kimon.

The Spaniards are also of Greek origin. Iberia is a Greek word. :wink:

The Greek historian Herodotus (5th C BC) provided the first clues about Greek visitors to Spain. According to Herodotus, the first Greek to land in Iberia (as the Greeks called the peninsula) was a sea captain, Kolaios, around the year 640 BC. Kolaios, from the Aegean island of Samos, was ostensibly on his way to Egypt when a storm blew his ship off-course and he landed eventually in Tartessus. Here he and his sailors were well received by the king, whose name --Arganthonius, man of the silver mountain– gives a clue to the mineral wealth of the area. They exchanged goods and Kolaios returned to Samos with a vast cargo of silver, the like of which had never before been brought back by any Greek ship. What remains uncertain is whether Kolaios was really bound for Egypt or whether some Phoenician rumours of great wealth in the western Mediterranean spurred him to make the journey. It could well be the latter.


http://www.spainthenandnow.com/spanish- ... lt_39.aspx


Oh my! oh my! oh my! Did you actually read what the article said?

The Spanish are not Greek.
I think you will find the article you post suggests that while the name may be Greek the inhabitants were not: indeed there was probbaly only one Greek Settlment on the Iberian peninsular where the Greeks livedin walled enclosure with one guarded gate.
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