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What have been done and what should be done?

Postby insan » Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:06 pm

It's been almost 30 years each communities leaderships have been negotiationg to reach a fair, safe, viable, stable solution to the Cyprus problem.





Heres the basic principles of solution on a federative basis:

After a long discussion the following text of guide-lines were agreed by Denktash and Makarios, in 1977; for the interlocutors:

"(1) We are seeking an independent, non-aligned bicommunal. Federal Republic.

(2) The territory under the administration of each community should be discussed in the light of economic viability, or productivity and land ownership.

(3) Questions of principle like freedom of movement, freedom of settlement and the right to property and other specific matters are open for discussion taking into consideration the fuundamental basis of a bicommunal federal system and certain practical difficulties, which may arise for the Turkish Cypriot community.

(4) The powers and functions of the Central Federal Government will be such as to safeguard the unity of the country having regard to the bicommunal character of the state.


In the end:

1- Each communities will get what belongs to them. It would be either 20 of the land or %29 or whatever it should be after it was discussed in the light of economic viability, or productivity and land ownership.


Have they compromised any mutually agreed percentage? No. So Why?

2- Not more than 40.000 GC refugees should return to their properties in TC constituent state because of the balance of the powers, resource and power sharing in TC constituent state. Those GC refugees should also be compensated for loss of use... Freedom of settlement and right to buy property also should be restricted due to same reasons...

Have they compromised any mutually agreed number of refugees or compensations? No. So why?

3- The rest of the GC/TC refugees should either exchange/sell/rent their properties and be compensated in order to finalize the properties problem...

Have they compromised on this isuue? No. So why?


4- All GC refugees who would become the residents of TC constituent state should be granted full political rights per their proportion in TC constituent state...

Have they compromised on this issue? No. So why?


5- At least 50.000 settlers who was granted TRNC citizenship should be repatriated because of the demographic, political structure of TC constituent state and United Federal Cyprus; nevertheless resource sharing....

Have they compromised on this issue? No. So why?


6- The executive power sharing of United Federal Cyprus should be based per population proportion, on a rotation basis.(House of Representatives)

Have they compromised on this issue? No. So Why?


7- The legislative power should be shared equally in the senate and it's working mechanism should based on different majority votings(Simple majority, combined majority, seperate majority, 2/3 majority rtc..)


Have they compromoised on this issue? No. So why?


So... Now I'm asking to you:

What have been done since 1974 and what should be done henceforth, in order to reach a fair, safe, viable, stable solution?

My answer: Nothing has been done since 1974 and unfortunately nothing will be done in the future because both parties leadership, the parties support them, civil initiatives and highbrows of Cyprus are not capable to find out a just, safe, viable, stable solution.


I'd like to hear your opinions...
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Postby Piratis » Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:48 pm

Nothing has been done since 1974 and unfortunately nothing will be done in the future because both parties leadership, the parties support them, civil initiatives and highbrows of Cyprus are not capable to find out a just, safe, viable, stable solution.


The reason that there is no solution is simple: Balance of Power.
The aggressor is a powerful one that can impose on ground its will, but not powerful enough to legalize its actions.

As long as this balance of power remains, no solution will be found.

If the balance is changed in either direction then a solution is possible:
1)The agressor becomes more powerful (or the victim weaker) and manages to legalize its actions using some cover (e.g. Annan plan).
2)The agressor looses some of its power (or the victim becomes stronger) and is forced to make some significant compromises.

We will work to achieve 2.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:59 pm

It would be nice if the above was not the way it was done, and what was important is if TC and GC come to a mutual understanding, but I am afraid this is not going to happen.

Even in here I offered frameworks for solution that will benefit all Cypriots but mostly the Turkish Cypriots and they were rejected by the Turkish Cypriots. Why? Because they also play in the balance of power game. They hope that this balance will favor them and they will gain even more on our loss.

This can be seen from the demands of each site during time: When a side feels stronger it has higher demands and makes less compromises, when a side is weaker it has lower demands and makes more compromises.

Unfortunately we are simply unable to forget about this balance of power and just sit down and agree on a fair solution that will greatly benefit all of us.
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Postby insan » Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:32 pm

Piratis, I know you don't approve most of Klerideses and Vailious policies regarding the solution of Cyprus problem...

What about the others?

Can you say that Makarioses, Kyprianous and Papadopuloses policies and the efforts they exerted to solve it, were perfectly proper without any deficiencies?

What were their mistakes, deficiencies, if there are some; according to you?

They can't be perfect...
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Postby Piratis » Fri Aug 13, 2004 10:26 pm

Can you say that Makarioses, Kyprianous and Papadopuloses policies and the efforts they exerted to solve it, were perfectly proper without any deficiencies?

Of course not!! They made many mistakes. They could all do a lot better. Nobody was, and nobody will be perfect.

You know, the first time I voted my vote went for Vasiliou. And the truth is that Vassiliou presidency was one of the best. (probably the best so far). But the way that Vasiliou-Cleredes handled the Cyprus problem was, as it was proven, wrong.
I don't say this because I hate Vasiliou (like Bananiot hates Papadopoulos), I say this because it is a proven fact. They went way beyond of what Greek Cypriots could accept, and this was shown by the referendum. Now at least they should have asked for forgiveness. Unfortunately not only they don't do that, but they act in a way that in some times borders with treason.
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