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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:13 pm

Clearly, I'm the only one now bothering with you two imperialists.

Whilst the UK, outside the eurozone, is in fact in the most mess ( austerity worse than Greece, QE a joke!) , I am wasting my time trying to show you the way to a higher faculty. You are clueless.


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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby cyprusgrump » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:23 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Clearly, I'm the only one now bothering with you two imperialists.

Whilst the UK, outside the eurozone, is in fact in the most mess ( austerity worse than Greece, QE a joke!) , I am wasting my time trying to show you the way to a higher faculty. You are clueless.


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Honestly, what percentage of Greeks really share your view that everything is great and worth it for the cause?

What percentage of those people that are unemployed?

What percentage of those that have lost their businesses or risk loosing them due to lack of custom...?

What percentage of those that cannot afford to heat their homes or pay their fuel bills...?

What percentage of those that cannot afford to send their kids to school with a full belly...?

What percentage of those than cannot afford food at all and have to rely on the charity of others...?

What percentage of those rioting and protesting on the streets think that their 'sacrifice' for the sake of the greater good of the EU is really worth it...?
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:43 pm

You have no clue of how bad things are in the UK.

Have you even been to Greece?

I am back and forth in both. And I can assure you the Brits are sick, sick, sick ...

Burning wood for warmth in Greece? LOL we've been burning our excess olive wood for years as a green way of warming the house!

(Tried wild fig the last few years, but not so good.)


How do the Brits keep warm? Do you know the epidemic rates for flu, pneumonia and coughs in the UK this winter. Soon to be published. Don't hold your breath ... :roll:
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:01 am

viral and bacterial infection is not related to being cold -

see eg Myths of the common cold

Myth 3:


Becoming cold or chilled leads to catching a cold.

Facts:


1. As discussed above, almost everybody becomes infected whether they are chilled or not, if cold virus is dropped into the nose. (72)

2. One study has looked at this question. It was found that colds were no more frequent or severe in volunteers who were chilled than those who were not. (76)


http://www.commoncold.org/special1.htm
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:43 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:You have no clue of how bad things are in the UK.

Have you even been to Greece?

I am back and forth in both. And I can assure you the Brits are sick, sick, sick ...

Burning wood for warmth in Greece? LOL we've been burning our excess olive wood for years as a green way of warming the house!

(Tried wild fig the last few years, but not so good.)


How do the Brits keep warm? Do you know the epidemic rates for flu, pneumonia and coughs in the UK this winter. Soon to be published. Don't hold your breath ... :roll:


You are so blinkered! :lol: :lol: :lol:

And I love the way you try and twist your way out of an argument...

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Burning wood for warmth in Greece? LOL we've been burning our excess olive wood for years as a green way of warming the house!


While ignoring what I actually said about people being forced to burn wood (cut down whole trees, not just trim them) and furniture to keep warm...

I see that STUD has already corrected you on your last hysterical claim about epidemics (BTW I was there for two weeks at Christmas so know for a fact that everybody was not sick)...
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:01 pm

As usual stud, you have not understood even your own link. Whilst a person does not necessarily have to feel cold, the proliferation of cold and flu viruses is accentuated by several factors to do with cold, wet conditions.

The sun and a drier atmosphere are important in keeping proliferation levels down. Where is it drier and sunnier? The UK or Cyprus?

The sun (UV) is a well known sterilizing agent which reduces the proliferation of these organism in the first place.

you can derive as much even from your USA link.

Again, it's a case of a little knowledge in your hands proliferating into full-blown ignorance over one link which doesn't nullify the above.

Infection is different to proliferation.

For example, whilst it's well known dirty hospitals lead to higher levels of MRSA (proliferation); you can then take a culture of that MRSA and stick it into a CLEAN hospital and you have spread the disease (infection). That doesn't mean a clean and dirty hospital are equally likely to proliferate the agents.

Furthermore, there are dietary factors associated with living in cold ,wet climates which further add to what I described. For one, the diet is healthier and higher in Vitamin C in Cyprus. Again, the high sunshine levels help with Vitamin D production etc etc.

Throw links at each other - but you'll never put the pieces of the puzzle together without my help. :D

Unfortunately for you, I really have to get on ...
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:50 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:You have no clue of how bad things are in the UK.

Have you even been to Greece?

I am back and forth in both. And I can assure you the Brits are sick, sick, sick ...

Burning wood for warmth in Greece? LOL we've been burning our excess olive wood for years as a green way of warming the house!

(Tried wild fig the last few years, but not so good.)


How do the Brits keep warm? Do you know the epidemic rates for flu, pneumonia and coughs in the UK this winter. Soon to be published. Don't hold your breath ... :roll:


You are so blinkered! :lol: :lol: :lol:

And I love the way you try and twist your way out of an argument...

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Burning wood for warmth in Greece? LOL we've been burning our excess olive wood for years as a green way of warming the house!


While ignoring what I actually said about people being forced to burn wood (cut down whole trees, not just trim them) and furniture to keep warm...

I see that STUD has already corrected you on your last hysterical claim about epidemics (BTW I was there for two weeks at Christmas so know for a fact that everybody was not sick)...


Nor does her theory explain why some in Cyprus also have coughs and colds, etc but have not been subject cold and damp.
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:36 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:As usual stud, you have not understood even your own link. Whilst a person does not necessarily have to feel cold, the proliferation of cold and flu viruses is accentuated by several factors to do with cold, wet conditions.

The sun and a drier atmosphere are important in keeping proliferation levels down. Where is it drier and sunnier? The UK or Cyprus?

The sun (UV) is a well known sterilizing agent which reduces the proliferation of these organism in the first place.

you can derive as much even from your USA link.

Again, it's a case of a little knowledge in your hands proliferating into full-blown ignorance over one link which doesn't nullify the above.

Infection is different to proliferation.

For example, whilst it's well known dirty hospitals lead to higher levels of MRSA (proliferation); you can then take a culture of that MRSA and stick it into a CLEAN hospital and you have spread the disease (infection). That doesn't mean a clean and dirty hospital are equally likely to proliferate the agents.

Furthermore, there are dietary factors associated with living in cold ,wet climates which further add to what I described. For one, the diet is healthier and higher in Vitamin C in Cyprus. Again, the high sunshine levels help with Vitamin D production etc etc.

Throw links at each other - but you'll never put the pieces of the puzzle together without my help. :D

Unfortunately for you, I really have to get on ...


Your premise was that austerity was causing illness becuase people were cold. The link I posted said nothing about feeling cold. It refered to being chilled, ie were exposed to cold conditions/became cold. Then you have to introduce lack of sunshine as a sterlising agent and climate considerations. Those have nothing to do with austerity.

The fact is that if a virus enters your body in the right way it will cause illness irrespective of weather.
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:01 pm

As I said - you and your friend are unable to piece the puzzle together without help from me! :D

Sadly for you, my time is limited.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... mpant.html

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/1 ... e_schools/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -suffering
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:02 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:As I said - you and your friend are unable to piece the puzzle together without help from me! :D

Sadly for you, my time is limited.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... mpant.html

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/1 ... e_schools/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -suffering


but this is SFA to do with Austerity AS YOU SOUGHT TO LINK THE CURRENT PREVALENCE OF ILLNESS TO to but to a not unusual natural combination of a new virus infection with optimum conditions for distribution, The homeless who have infections have them because they have been in contact with infected people who may not be homeless just as the non homeless will also catch the illness for the same reason .You will find it this occurring through out Europe - see eg EuroFlu: The WHO European Influenza Network
http://www.euroflu.org/

IT IS NOT A UNIQUE BRITISH PROBLEM !!!
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