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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby Grizos Katos » Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:51 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
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GreekIslandGirl wrote:
kimon07 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:What's the point of worrying about the profits of these companies (banks)? Were the banks ever going to finance our war of independence? Or pay mercenaries to remove the Turkish troops? No!


They want the banks to be "healthy" and strong so as to be able to keep borrowing money from international funds in order to lend them to the businesses (for the sake of investments they say) and to the citizens (for homes, consumer goods etc). Thus, the businesses and the citizens will always be indebted to the local banks and the local banks to the international banking and other financing institutions.Thus you secure the everlasting dependency of states and nations on those controlling the International economy (and the puppet governments of all countries).


Sure, but most Greek business ventures never began with loans from banks but from families working together.

Businesses that are so big that they need loans and are in it purely for personal profits are not the sort which help their country.


Are you serious?

That is incorrect since businesses which expand with private investor finds to raise capital and from borrowings create many jobs and when this sector is not doing well, it usually means very high unemployment such as what we are seeing in Cyprus today.


Revolution comes from an unhappy demos.


Another side effect of massive unemployment.
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:38 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Who asked you for your pseudo-intellectual thoughts on revolutions? Pleb!


not f*cking tell you, you little bewer!
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:36 am

Grizos Katos wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Grizos Katos wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Sure, but most Greek business ventures never began with loans from banks but from families working together.

Businesses that are so big that they need loans and are in it purely for personal profits are not the sort which help their country.


Are you serious?

That is incorrect since businesses which expand with private investor finds to raise capital and from borrowings create many jobs and when this sector is not doing well, it usually means very high unemployment such as what we are seeing in Cyprus today.


Revolution comes from an unhappy demos.


Another side effect of massive unemployment.


A side effect or a consequence of supporting big businesses (to keep us enslaved)? Which brings us back to my very first point ...
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby cyprusgrump » Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:03 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Grizos Katos wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Grizos Katos wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Sure, but most Greek business ventures never began with loans from banks but from families working together.

Businesses that are so big that they need loans and are in it purely for personal profits are not the sort which help their country.


Are you serious?

That is incorrect since businesses which expand with private investor finds to raise capital and from borrowings create many jobs and when this sector is not doing well, it usually means very high unemployment such as what we are seeing in Cyprus today.


Revolution comes from an unhappy demos.


Another side effect of massive unemployment.


A side effect or a consequence of supporting big businesses (to keep us enslaved)? Which brings us back to my very first point ...


She said, typing on a computer containing components and software manufactured by some of the biggest corporations on the planet! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:13 am

cyprusgrump wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Grizos Katos wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Revolution comes from an unhappy demos.


Another side effect of massive unemployment.


A side effect or a consequence of supporting big businesses (to keep us enslaved)? Which brings us back to my very first point ...


She said, typing on a computer containing components and software manufactured by some of the biggest corporations on the planet! :lol: :lol: :lol:


And you think that doesn't keep us enslaved? Further proof of the point under discussion.
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby cyprusgrump » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:59 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Grizos Katos wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Revolution comes from an unhappy demos.


Another side effect of massive unemployment.


A side effect or a consequence of supporting big businesses (to keep us enslaved)? Which brings us back to my very first point ...


She said, typing on a computer containing components and software manufactured by some of the biggest corporations on the planet! :lol: :lol: :lol:


And you think that doesn't keep us enslaved? Further proof of the point under discussion.


Enslaved! You do make me laugh! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Large corporations enable the lifestyle you enjoy - they don't enslave you!

Nobody is forcing you to use that computer - you can free yourself from enslavement by not doing so...

Large corporations don't make these things on a whim and force them on people - they spend billions on R & D because there is a demand for their products.

Who do you think makes the aircraft that fly you to your beloved Greece and Cyprus, and finds and refines the fuel they use? Who would make the aircraft without the corporations you loathe so much - Yiaya? :lol:

Nobody forces you to benefit from the capitalist society that we live in and provides the lifestyle we enjoy.

Yet you choose not to live in a mud hut, without heating or electricity and cook your food on a stove fuelled by horse dung... why is that?
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby Piratis » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:30 am

cyprusgrump, while I don't disagree with you I have to point out that capitalism and corporations are not the only way to have airplanes, heating, electricity etc. USSR had those things with communism (sort of communism anyway).

Yes, it wasn't as good and yes it failed. But could it be that today we are witnessing the failure of capitalism in some countries?
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby cyprusgrump » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:47 am

Piratis wrote:cyprusgrump, while I don't disagree with you I have to point out that capitalism and corporations are not the only way to have airplanes, heating, electricity etc. USSR had those things with communism (sort of communism anyway).

Yes, it wasn't as good and yes it failed. But could it be that today we are witnessing the failure of capitalism in some countries?


Communism was a disaster for the country and its people...

Not only did it ultimately fail, but it relied on controlling every aspect of the people's lives - there is no freedom under communism and thousands died as a result.

Sadly, the EU, so beloved by some seems to want us to give up capitalism and move towards a communist style state where the unelected 'government' controls every aspect of our lives along with the tractor production figures.

Capitalism creates jobs and wealth - it is the best way forward for everybody - not just the unelected elite.
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:05 am

cyprusgrump wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
A side effect or a consequence of supporting big businesses (to keep us enslaved)? Which brings us back to my very first point ...


She said, typing on a computer containing components and software manufactured by some of the biggest corporations on the planet! :lol: :lol: :lol:


And you think that doesn't keep us enslaved? Further proof of the point under discussion.


Enslaved! You do make me laugh! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Large corporations enable the lifestyle you enjoy - they don't enslave you!

Nobody is forcing you to use that computer - you can free yourself from enslavement by not doing so...

Large corporations don't make these things on a whim and force them on people - they spend billions on R & D because there is a demand for their products.

Who do you think makes the aircraft that fly you to your beloved Greece and Cyprus, and finds and refines the fuel they use? Who would make the aircraft without the corporations you loathe so much - Yiaya? :lol:

Nobody forces you to benefit from the capitalist society that we live in and provides the lifestyle we enjoy.

Yet you choose not to live in a mud hut, without heating or electricity and cook your food on a stove fuelled by horse dung... why is that?


We were trying to dispassionately debate the different lifestyles, without personalizing our responses since none of us really know how the other lives, other than the fact they use some form of computer to communicate. I would disagree with you that these things are not forced on us because none of us are islands and we need to participate at some level in society - the society is now organised by the internet. The problem is one of how much we "benefit" from this and this is where it varies from person to person. Most people do not have a problem with capitalism at some level - mine is on having it completely unregulated, as it has become.

But now you mention it - yes I do choose to live in a "mud" hut with no electricity when my duties to society are done. :)
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Re: The Euro Zone Mess

Postby boomerang » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:12 am

ok never really thought about regulating capitalism...what kind of regulation would you like to see?...
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