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Re: Quote of the day...

Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:23 am

The most complete study of Greek skeletal material from Neolithic to modern times was carried out by American anthropologist J. Lawrence Angel who found that in the early age racial variability in Greece was 7% above average, indicating that the Greeks had multiple origins within the Europid racial family. Angel noted that from the earliest times to the present “racial continuity in Greece is striking.” Buxton who had earlier studied Greek skeletal material and measured modern Greeks, especially in Cyprus, finds that the modern Greeks “possess physical characteristics not differing essentially from those of the former [ancient Greeks].”


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Re: Quote of the day...

Postby yialousa1971 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:05 pm

Found these two on the internet. :)

Nobody gets paid to tell the truth.

Nobody censors what they agree with.
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Re: Quote of the day...

Postby wyoming cowboy » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:08 am

Helen
Helen
By George Seferis 1900–1971 George Seferis
Translated By Edmund Keeley and Philip Sherrard

Teucer: . . . in sea-girt Cyprus, where it was decreed
by Apollow that I should live, giving the city
the name of Salamis in memory of my island home.
. . . . . . . . . .
Helen: I never went to Troy; it was a phantom.
. . . . . . . . . .
Servant: What? You mean it was only for a cloud
that we struggled so much?

— Euripides, Helen



‘The nightingales won’t let you sleep in Platres.’


Shy nightingale, in the breathing of the leaves,
you who bestow the forest’s musical coolness
on the sundered bodies, on the souls
of those who know they will not return.
Blind voice, you who grope in the darkness of memory
for footsteps and gestures — I wouldn’t dare say kisses —
and the bitter raving of the frenzied slave-woman.


‘The nightingales won’t let you sleep in Platres.’


Platres: where is Platres? And this island: who knows it?
I’ve lived my life hearing names I’ve never heard before:
new countries, new idiocies of men
or of the gods;
my fate, which wavers
between the last sword of some Ajax
and another Salamis,
brought me here, to this shore.
The moon
rose from the sea like Aphrodite,
covered the Archer’s stars, now moves to find
the heart of Scorpio, and alters everything.
Truth, where’s the truth?
I too was an archer in the war;
my fate: that of a man who missed his target.


Lyric nightingale,
on a night like this, by the shore of Proteus,
the Spartan slave-girls heard you and began their lament,
and among them — who would have believed it? — Helen!
She whom we hunted so many years by the banks of the Scamander.
She was there, at the desert’s lip; I touched her; she spoke to me:
‘It isn’t true, it isn’t true,’ she cried.
‘I didn’t board the blue bowed ship.
I never went to valiant Troy.’


Breasts girded high, the sun in her hair, and that stature
shadows and smiles everywhere,
on shoulders, thighs and knees;
the skin alive, and her eyes
with the large eyelids,
she was there, on the banks of a Delta.
And at Troy?
At Troy, nothing: just a phantom image.
That’s how the gods wanted it.
And Paris, Paris lay with a shadow as though it were a solid being;
and for ten whole years we slaughtered ourselves for Helen.


Great suffering had desolated Greece.
So many bodies thrown
into the jaws of the sea, the jaws of the earth
so many souls
fed to the millstones like grain.
And the rivers swelling, blood in their silt,
all for a linen undulation, a filmy cloud,
a butterfly’s flicker, a wisp of swan’s down,
an empty tunic — all for a Helen.
And my brother?
Nightingale nightingale nightingale,
what is a god? What is not a god? And what is there in between them?


‘The nightingales won’t let you sleep in Platres.’


Tearful bird,
on sea-kissed Cyprus
consecrated to remind me of my country,
I moored alone with this fable,
if it’s true that it is a fable,
if it’s true that mortals will not again take up
the old deceit of the gods;
if it’s true
that in future years some other Teucer,
or some Ajax or Priam or Hecuba,
or someone unknown and nameless who nevertheless saw
a Scamander overflow with corpses,
isn’t fated to hear
messengers coming to tell him
that so much suffering, so much life,
went into the abyss
all for an empty tunic, all for a Helen.
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Re: Quote of the day...

Postby tsukoui » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:32 am

wyoming cowboy wrote:
tsukoui wrote:
Get Real! wrote:[quote="tsukoui]
Well I could be boring and relate how the Arab world elucidated calculus before Newton but to stay on topic they were also interested in oracles... there is a long forgotten system of divination that they used similar to the Yi Jing in China and the Obi in West Africa... indeed in West Africa there was a time when the two systems sat side by side and they compared notes... it seems however that the Arab practitioners took a similar view to me, and correct me if I am wrong, that the number of combinations didn't matter, it was the bias in the interpretation that was important... the system was as widespread as Greece, I believe, and some of their machines for generating combinations are still in existence...[/quote]
And what would've been a typical application of the day for such a machine other than research?[/quote]

Well that was the problem that ultimately led to its downfall... it seems many people started setting themselves up as fortune tellers... it is true that by repeatedly consulting random events in relation to the real world one can sensitize oneself to the subtleties of the world and thus perhaps become better at predicting events... but fortune telling ultimately is nothing more than attempting to stamp authority over the future... which in corrupt hands is dangerous to say the least... you only have to look at the hedge funds of today... interestingly legitimate questions like whether or not to marry are actually quite sensible applications as they help to add diversity to the gene pool... other questions are equally legitimate so long as you treat it as an exercise in self development... in effect you are sensitizing yourself to more subtle conditions... I know nothing of the bias in these texts... at any rate hadiths were issued to close them down... so they must have been on to something, even if it was lining their own pockets...[/quote]

it is true that by repeatedly consulting random events in relation to the real world one can sensitize oneself to the subtleties of the world and thus perhaps become better at predicting events...

basically what you're saying Tsakoui, is that ....things tend to repeat but only the variables change....[/quote]


Not sure about reviving this thread, but an interesting development has occurred... I'm still using the Yi Jing, far too much in my opinion... I submit to its decisions, but still seem very far from reaching the level of the Taoist masters who wrote it... I steer clear of the West African Obi, largely because it demands animal sacrifice, although sometimes I consult it, leaving my fear of the consequences of not sacrificing behind... perhaps tobacco can be used as a sacrifice instead ;)

Anyway, I was looking around, and discovered that the ancient Greek astragali oracle has been reconstituted by the Greek martial artists Kostas Dervenis... Dervenis actually calls it the Greek "Yi Jing"... I like it very much... it has history and depth... remnants of its use still survive today in games played with astragali... for those interested, I'd recommend getting a copy... cheers...
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Re: Quote of the day...

Postby Lordo » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:00 pm

bill cobbett wrote:"Toffoui's villoui is tiny"... ... "and so is Yialosers'".... Mrs Kurupetos, 17 July 2012

how do you know sharlubillaruimmu
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Re: Quote of the day...

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:11 pm

tsukoui wrote:
wyoming cowboy wrote:
tsukoui wrote:
Get Real! wrote:[quote="tsukoui]
Well I could be boring and relate how the Arab world elucidated calculus before Newton but to stay on topic they were also interested in oracles... there is a long forgotten system of divination that they used similar to the Yi Jing in China and the Obi in West Africa... indeed in West Africa there was a time when the two systems sat side by side and they compared notes... it seems however that the Arab practitioners took a similar view to me, and correct me if I am wrong, that the number of combinations didn't matter, it was the bias in the interpretation that was important... the system was as widespread as Greece, I believe, and some of their machines for generating combinations are still in existence...[/quote]
And what would've been a typical application of the day for such a machine other than research?[/quote]

Well that was the problem that ultimately led to its downfall... it seems many people started setting themselves up as fortune tellers... it is true that by repeatedly consulting random events in relation to the real world one can sensitize oneself to the subtleties of the world and thus perhaps become better at predicting events... but fortune telling ultimately is nothing more than attempting to stamp authority over the future... which in corrupt hands is dangerous to say the least... you only have to look at the hedge funds of today... interestingly legitimate questions like whether or not to marry are actually quite sensible applications as they help to add diversity to the gene pool... other questions are equally legitimate so long as you treat it as an exercise in self development... in effect you are sensitizing yourself to more subtle conditions... I know nothing of the bias in these texts... at any rate hadiths were issued to close them down... so they must have been on to something, even if it was lining their own pockets...[/quote]

it is true that by repeatedly consulting random events in relation to the real world one can sensitize oneself to the subtleties of the world and thus perhaps become better at predicting events...

basically what you're saying Tsakoui, is that ....things tend to repeat but only the variables change....[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

Not sure about reviving this thread, but an interesting development has occurred... I'm still using the Yi Jing, far too much in my opinion... I submit to its decisions, but still seem very far from reaching the level of the Taoist masters who wrote it... I steer clear of the West African Obi, largely because it demands animal sacrifice, although sometimes I consult it, leaving my fear of the consequences of not sacrificing behind... perhaps tobacco can be used as a sacrifice instead ;)

Anyway, I was looking around, and discovered that the ancient Greek astragali oracle has been reconstituted by the Greek martial artists Kostas Dervenis... Dervenis actually calls it the Greek "Yi Jing"... I like it very much... it has history and depth... remnants of its use still survive today in games played with astragali... for those interested, I'd recommend getting a copy... cheers...[/quote]


interesting, thanks.
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Re: Quote of the day...

Postby kurupetos » Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:22 am

Lordo wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:"Toffoui's villoui is tiny"... ... "and so is Yialosers'".... Mrs Kurupetos, 17 July 2012

how do you know sharlubillaruimmu

Because he's a skalabundaros. :lol:
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