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Re: Bloody Imperialists

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:02 pm

who do you think is paying me?

I am in fact gainfully employed by a local company, and no one is paying me anything in respect of what I post here or elsewhere.
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Re: Bloody Imperialists

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:31 pm

and by the way, how much of the known world did Alexander the Great set out to conquer, or was that all right because he was Greek? he certainly was one Bloody Imperialist if ever there was one...
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Re: Bloody Imperialists

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:14 am

and one more question - if your little bird actualy knows anything about me tell us something about me that your little bird has told you, because if that is what your allged little bird is saying I have some doubts about iots existance.....PM me if you like.
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Re: Bloody Imperialists

Postby kimon07 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:58 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:sorry my luv but I am here probably for good. As for eugenics with some claims for Greekness of anyone who might in the distant part have had a Greek Ancestor , you really do make me laugh.


You are welcome to stay for as long as you please and hope your stay will be happy. You are also welcome to be interested in the affairs of Cyprus, since you will be staying. But you have no right to dictate to us "natives" how we should feel about our ethnicity. Would the Scots tolerate any Greek who has settled in Scotland for life to tell them whether they should or should not demand independence? HUH???

Does any Greek or Chinese who has settled in Ireland have the right to advise the Irish of how they should feel???

Have some respect. People have sacrificed their lives and families fighting to preserve and promote our ethnicity and ethnic identity. DON'T YOU insult it or we shall INSULT YOU.

P.S. And don't try to make people who criticise Britain for its crimes feel guilty about it. We are talking about the British foreign policy here, not about the British society or the British people. Most of us have a very high respect for the British people as individuals, scientists, artists etc, and their contribution to the modern European culture and civilisation. It is foreign policy we are talking about, and the arrogance of some of you who think you can dictate to US how we should feel and what we should hope for OUR country. As for laughing in respect to my GREEKNESS. Well, such an attitude just demonstrates and proves the audacity and the neo-colonial arrogance of some of you.
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Re: Bloody Imperialists

Postby kimon07 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:06 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:and by the way, how much of the known world did Alexander the Great set out to conquer, or was that all right because he was Greek? he certainly was one Bloody Imperialist if ever there was one...


True. He was out to conquer. And to punish. But here is a challenge:

What legacy did Alexander leave behind him? What was his contribution to the conquered territories and to the European culture?
And what legacy did Britain inherit to its colonies?

Interesting subject isn't it? Shall we start a thread about it? What do you all say, boys and girls? 8)
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Re: Bloody Imperialists

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:23 pm

Alexander the Great set out to defend Greece from the attacks of Persia. Then built a buffer zone around Greek lands to protect from future marauders. He never set out to conquer people or enslave.
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Re: Bloody Imperialists

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:45 am

Bullshit and in your heart do you not know it? Why eg did he invade !ndia and Egypt! He still ended up with an empire. It shows ypur Hypocracy over the ancient evils of the Greeks.
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Re: Bloody Imperialists

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:48 am

As I said, Alexander the G. never set out to conquer and enslave people. But later, since he found conquering easy, and the Greek-freedoms and learnings which he distributed were welcomed, he went further, towards India pulled by a sense of curiosity. This was over 2,000 years ago so the present continued Imperialism of Great Britain (which still enslaves and holds onto lands which do not belong to the Anglo-Germanic people) should be fossilized and observed as a historical latter-day mistake of pure greed, bigotry, racism and hatred of Johnny-foreigner!
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Re: Bloody Imperialists

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:38 am

It still seems incredulous to me how anyone could try and justify by comparing the ancient empire of Alexander, of over 2,000 years ago, with what the British Empire stood for, and still stands for (since it is not yet completely dismantled). Whilst Alexander rose up to defend Greece against the provocative Persians, the British had no such aim or reason. Whilst Alexander created a direct buffer along the borders and extending from Greek lands - the British sailed across the seven seas seizing lands, wide apart and completely disconnected from Britain. And, whilst Alexander disseminated learning, arts, culture, science etc - the British kept the natives enslaved, poor and downtrodden!
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Re: Bloody Imperialists

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:12 pm

For along time I have been well are of the nature of the British Empire as an instrument of political and economic power, principally designed to obtain cheap sources of raw materials for British factories and to make the British at home rich,(the factory owners at least) all at the expense of the local populace, who if they had work either grew crops like cotton, etc, for the Lancashire Mills or worked in mines for a mere pittance.

However I must make the point that a lot of your claims by which you wish to see Cyprus subjugated to Athens are based upon alleged events some 3000 years ago and if it is permisable for you to use and interpret those events in awauy favourable to you , so others can express their own views on historical events.

As for the importation of Culture I continue to wonder at just how much learning that existed in Persia back to a time when Greeks (but not Cypriots) were probably mostly illiterate went to Greece along with the Phonecial Language in the 8th century or so BCE (and every written script in use by Greeks was for the most borrewed and adopted) so it would not surprise me if that happened to other ideas too. The problem is that with the sometimes forced hellenisation of much of Persia, where the area was subject to an influx of settlers, a bit like the occupied zone of Cyprus (but that is OK by you, they were Greek and they acn do no wrongm.....in your world view,) and with a devloping elitstist cultural ascendancy, which was not aways welcomed (eg the revolt of the Macabees) the true extent of knowldge which is now ascribed to Greece has been lost. (to the victor the spoils of propoganda, which I think you have swallowed Hook line and Sinker)

We know for example that a Democracy of sorts existed in parts of India and and some Syrian city states long before it emerged in Greece. Maths, Astonomy, they were known all in Persia, Egypt and India before Greece. There are even indications that some of the fine examples of ancient Athenian Architecture may have Persian antecedents and influences, and even the Homeric epic' poems are thought by some to be influenced by the older epic of Gilgamesh, yet you are blinkered to these possibilities.
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