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Army Yes or No?

Benefits and problems from the EU membership.

Army

Poll ended at Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:23 pm

Yes we need
7
78%
No we dont
2
22%
 
Total votes : 9

Army Yes or No?

Postby michalis5354 » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:23 pm

In Cyprus we dont need to join the ARMY. This should be made voluntary for those who want to join the army as a profession. It is time for the military service to be abolished.The army is a waste of money and human time.What is more Cyprus has joined the EU it is time to follow what other EU partners are doing and nowhere in EU they have the conditions and the practises that we have here.

The Dusi party has proposed something regarding this not long time ago but the idiots did not pay any attention.
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Postby Sotos » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:59 am

All countries have an army. EU is good but Europeans will not come to fight in our place in case of another invasion. We should be prepared as good as we can!
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Postby akiner » Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:08 am

Probably abolishing your army would be a great motivation for Turkey to remove her forces from the island
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Postby sk » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:33 am

no way!its a big mistake!we have about 13,000 strong army which is nothing. if it made voluntary this number will be max 1,000!
and even if we abolish army,no way turkey will remove its forces.
its no secret that our army cannot cause any major damage to turkish forces. its main purpose is to withhold the enemy until diplomacy acts
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Postby Piratis » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:09 pm

Our army is not and can never be strong enough to match the one of Turkey. However we should not forget that we are in war with Turkey. What we have is not peace but a cease fire. Reducing our army while our country is still occupied is like declaring acceptance to the de facto situation.

When the solution is found then maybe Cyprus should stop having an army.

The Dusi party has proposed something regarding this not long time ago but the idiots did not pay any attention.

Dusy was in power for 10 years. All those years they were promising to strengthen our defense with S-300 etc. We will hear a lot of "tricks" from Dusy until the elections but I doubt many people will fall for them.
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Postby cypezokyli » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:50 pm

we discussed that also before
dysi could have done it when it was in power. no its much easier to say.
it doesnt mean that is bad though.
an army in general is needed, even tough a reduction could be beneficial for all those teenagers. come on ...26 months are a lot.

a nice agreement that would lead to reducing our army in the south and also in the north would be a beautiful idea but it taked leaders with guts on both sides... :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Postby Black Cat » Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:31 pm

Armys are the defence of a state. Any state-goverment that exists in this world is just another enemy of the people, for as you can see there is no goverment that actually is democratic and is there for the people of each country. The only thing they care about is profit, a good picture to "stronger" states, and (if they already have the power and are rich in natural resourses) ruling this world. Goverments use edjucation, the media, the army etc, to brainwash the people in becoming "good", legal, competable and obedient so they can go on with their capitalist plans and also use people (for example the police) to protect and help them with their dirty work. For an example, when the war started in irak, every nation (especially in europe) helped the american army to go on with it. Every goverment had their little plans so that the americans or british could pay back or help them with something else in future. In the cypriot case, the "new" goverment supplied the americans and british with food, water and oil, and gave permition for them to use the air and water in the cypriot "territory".
Some states reveal their "sour power" in clear and attacking ways, and some (usually weak countries) in secret and shifty ways. Cyprus goverment logically uses the second way because it already has a lot of problems.
Personaly, i would never fight for a country but for the people. This is not our war (Turkish-Greek) its their war! I have no respect to anyone who calls himself a leader.

That was just a very little paragraph to describe how goverments work. Now if someone wants to become a tool of some goverment its their choice.

Cyprus anyhow doesnt need an army. At least an army like the one that exists. An attack by turkish troops could destroy the national guards in about 48 hours. So its no use! There is so much money(our taxes) spent on unnessesery war equipment.

Cyprus is still a colony. There are 5 types of armys(cypriot, greek, turkish, un("peacekeepers") and british) in just a little space, on this little island. We are like a war ship. The war of 74 was well known to the british and was scheduled a long time before it happend. If it wasnt, then cyprus would be completly under turkish occupation. Why did they stop at the half of the island? I think that makes sense. And AS LONG AS THE BRITISH HAVE THEIR BASES(akrotiri,dekelia) TURKEY WILL NOT ATTEMPT TO ATTACK THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ISLAND!
The hate and racism going on between cypriots(turkish and greek) started from when makarios sighned the zyrich-london agreement. That ment that if anything was going on in cyprus, the greeks, the british and the turkish could interfere. When greekcypriot fashists(eoka b, xites) started the coup in cyprus from xounta, the british used their well known action (which they used in other countries as well) "divide and rule". They made up stories and made greek cypriots to hate turkish cypriots and the other way round. Thats when the murdering began and so Turkey Had the "right" to interfere. This was a good sighn to the british, which now can keep their bases peacfully, and the greekcypriots can concentrate on the turks.
This closemind way of thinking still goes on today, in school, in the army and everywhere u go.. Proud of being Greeks while greece never showed any real interest in Cyprus and only brought "evil".

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Postby akiner » Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:01 am

hey black cat,
dont say the truth, let our Greek fellas live in their utopic dreams

Btw peace beggin times ended when John Lenon got killed:), so make someting possible to handle to bring the peace all upon US :shock:

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Postby Black Cat » Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:56 am

Thats how they've learnt to live.. Both have done wrong stuff greeks and turkish and noone can doubt that or he will be historically lying. The thing is making a new start, not listening to all the brainwash and hate of the elder and using our brains to see that there is nothing that divides us exept a line that goverments made to mark "their" property and their power!

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Postby Lala_Mustafa_Pasha » Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:43 am

sk
its no secret that our army cannot cause any major damage to turkish forces. its main purpose is to withhold the enemy until diplomacy acts


:roll:

You do realise your living in a paranoid fantasy world.

Turkish Cyprus or Turkiye has no dreams of invading Greek Cyprus this is completely fictioness and invented scare-mongering.

Those soldiers are holding out an invisible army cos the Turkish army has no plans to go anywhere, you can sleep safely dont worry.
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