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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:20 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:the techniques used by Angel are now discredited (along therefore with the results) and have been supplanted by DNA methods.


Sweeping. With regard to yialousa's statement; supplanted or supported?

Please present this discrediting DNA evidence.
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby kurupetos » Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:49 pm

Me Ed wrote:I don't need a geneticist or a historian to tell me that I am a Cypriot and not a Greek, it's blatantly obvious.

Growing up in a "Greek" bubble (no pun intended) in London, where I was effectively brainwashed by my parents and the Church with constant reminders of "you are Greek, you are Greek, you are Greek", it wasn't until later in life when I went to Greece and met some real Greeks that I realised that I am not actually Greek at all.

We don't look like them, talk like them or smell like them.

We have our own cuisine and music unique to our culture and our autocephalous Church has never been part of the Church of Greece which it predates by around 1,500 years.

People can talk about DNA, but until a thorough scientific study is done, we can only speculate as to what we actually are.

The nearest we have to this is a study which identifies that GCs and TCs are genetically more similar to each other than people from their so called "motherlands".

So one must ask the question, what are these genetic similarities? Are they the genes of the ancient Cypriots that predate any Greek, Turkish or other influence?

For example, the English call themselves Anglo-Saxons, but it has been discovered that the Saxon genes only constitute 5% of their genetic make up.

The reason you are not Greek is because you are British. :wink:
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:49 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:the techniques used by Angel are now discredited (along therefore with the results) and have been supplanted by DNA methods.


Sweeping. With regard to yialousa's statement; supplanted or supported?

Please present this discrediting DNA evidence.


the idea was undermined by inter alia the work of Boaz who demonstrated the very significant effects of environment on skeletal development.
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:00 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:the techniques used by Angel are now discredited (along therefore with the results) and have been supplanted by DNA methods.


Sweeping. With regard to yialousa's statement; supplanted or supported?

Please present this discrediting DNA evidence.


the idea was undermined by inter alia the work of Boaz who demonstrated the very significant effects of environment on skeletal development.


Rubbish response. Differences in physiological points of view? Provide the DNA evidence which you said discredits Yialousa's statement or admit your prejudice is getting the better of you.
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby denizaksulu » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:37 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Me Ed wrote:I don't need a geneticist or a historian to tell me that I am a Cypriot and not a Greek, it's blatantly obvious.

Growing up in a "Greek" bubble (no pun intended) in London, where I was effectively brainwashed by my parents and the Church with constant reminders of "you are Greek, you are Greek, you are Greek", it wasn't until later in life when I went to Greece and met some real Greeks that I realised that I am not actually Greek at all.

We don't look like them, talk like them or smell like them.

We have our own cuisine and music unique to our culture and our autocephalous Church has never been part of the Church of Greece which it predates by around 1,500 years.

People can talk about DNA, but until a thorough scientific study is done, we can only speculate as to what we actually are.

The nearest we have to this is a study which identifies that GCs and TCs are genetically more similar to each other than people from their so called "motherlands".

So one must ask the question, what are these genetic similarities? Are they the genes of the ancient Cypriots that predate any Greek, Turkish or other influence?

For example, the English call themselves Anglo-Saxons, but it has been discovered that the Saxon genes only constitute 5% of their genetic make up.

The reason you are not Greek is because you are British. :wink:


KP, do you know that your great grandfather was Ottoman? :D

HNY btw 8)
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:44 pm

try looking at this site for start

Eupedia : European Travel, Trivia, History & Population Genetics
http://www.eupedia.com/

and here

Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby kurupetos » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:56 pm

denizaksulu wrote:KP, do you know that your great grandfather was Ottoman? :D

HNY btw 8)

Was my grandfather British? :? :lol: :lol: HNY to you too. :wink:
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:20 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:try looking at this site for start

Eupedia : European Travel, Trivia, History & Population Genetics
http://www.eupedia.com/

and here

Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/


None of those (extremely wide-ranging and unrelated) sources back up your sweeping statement.
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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:47 am

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Re: Genetic origin of the Cypriots

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:49 am

Slippery attempts to take back what you said (not even a real source). Any of that DNA evidence you alluded to?
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