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Re: Hellenic inventions and discoveries

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:26 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
me being a mammal I doubt there is anything dinosaur in me....you however,,,,,, :D :D :D :D :D


Yes, I am related to dinosaurs. Prove you are not.

- I wouldn't be human if I wasn't.

(Boy, I've read some rather stupid *theories* here today. From Big Oz giving rise to monkeys to stud by-passing a whole evolutionary branch.)
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Re: Hellenic inventions and discoveries

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:14 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
me being a mammal I doubt there is anything dinosaur in me....you however,,,,,, :D :D :D :D :D


Yes, I am related to dinosaurs. Prove you are not.

- I wouldn't be human if I wasn't.

(Boy, I've read some rather stupid *theories* here today. From Big Oz giving rise to monkeys to stud by-passing a whole evolutionary branch.)


Girl, the one you have written is the most stupid of the lot. Mammals diverged from the Reptiles probably about 300 million years ago, long before the Dinosaurs evolved the Reptiles of 300 MYA evolved into various forms, including the crocodiles and lizards we have to day and including Dinosaurs, which became extinct, and mammals diverged and developed separately and in parallel, but only achieved pre-eminence from about 65 million years back., but no we are not descended from the dinosaurs: they were on a different branch of the same tree - very distant cousins of our contemporaneous mammalian ancestors. but not ancestors of humans.

We are not for that matter descended from Chimps or Gorillas or Monkeys - we share a common ancestor with them so they too are cousins, rather closer cousins than the dinosaurs - but again cousins not ancestors.
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Re: Hellenic inventions and discoveries

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:33 pm

So why wouldn't you have any dinosaur similarities? We 'diverged' from plants, bacteria, yeasts etc even longer ago, but we still have many genes which are strikingly similar.

Yup - more stupid stud stuff:

stu(pi)d wrote:we share a common ancestor with them so they too are cousins, rather closer cousins than the dinosaurs - but again cousins not ancestors.


We share a "common ancestor" but "not ancestors". :lol:

(Leave the 'cousins' and 'relatives' out, dear boy.)
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Re: Hellenic inventions and discoveries

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:42 pm

Ah the word games and the deliberate misreading of the point. At least I hope it is deliberate.

The point I am making there is that we and the other contemporary primates are cousins, where unless you come from a redneck family (however if the misreading is not deliberate the level of intelligence you are displaying appears to show excessive inbreeding aka village idiot syndrome) your cousin is not your ancestor.
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Re: Hellenic inventions and discoveries

Postby kurupetos » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:48 pm

bigOz wrote:Yeah sure! Just like they invented the Döner Kebap (Greeks decided to call it "gyro" hundred years later :lol: ) and Turkish Coffee (Greeks decided anything "Turkish" cannot be good so it became "Greek Coffee" in Greek restaurants and bars :lol: ). And where is it that says yoghurt (yoğurt in Turkish) was ever Greek? Why are Greeks calling it "Greek yoghurt" - never knew it had a friggin nationality! Soon they will want to patent the bastard things as well! :o

To be honest, Greeks have been inventors of nothing but vandalising thieves when they arrived in today's "Greece" from an unknown origin up North! When they could not destroy, they stole the culture, the alphabet, the names and even the history of the land they occupied. Now they end up as a bunch of Fairies living in a Fairy land with plenty of Fairy tales called "mythology". If they managed to rename Döner Kebap, Yoghurt and Turkish Coffee in few decades, it is no great surprise they have now convinced themselves that everyone who lived in and around today's Greece were also Greeks. :D

OK I GIVE UP GIG! THE WHOLE WORLD IS GREEK - AWAITING TO BE DISCOVERED! :roll: What a flacking boring World indeed :(

Ottoman & Seljuk Turks (i.e. Mongols) were nomadic savages. 'Turkish cuisine' simply never existed. It's a mixture of Greek and Arabic cuisines. :wink:
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Re: Hellenic inventions and discoveries

Postby kurupetos » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:48 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:So why wouldn't you have any dinosaur similarities? We 'diverged' from plants, bacteria, yeasts etc even longer ago, but we still have many genes which are strikingly similar.

Yup - more stupid stud stuff:

stu(pi)d wrote:we share a common ancestor with them so they too are cousins, rather closer cousins than the dinosaurs - but again cousins not ancestors.


We share a "common ancestor" but "not ancestors". :lol:

(Leave the 'cousins' and 'relatives' out, dear boy.)

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Re: Hellenic inventions and discoveries

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:56 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Ah the word games and the deliberate misreading of the point. At least I hope it is deliberate.

The point I am making there is that we and the other contemporary primates are cousins, where unless you come from a redneck family (however if the misreading is not deliberate the level of intelligence you are displaying appears to show excessive inbreeding aka village idiot syndrome) your cousin is not your ancestor.


Oh, never mind telling me how familiar you are to chimps; you haven't told me how come you have by-passed any relatedness to dinosaurs.
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Re: Hellenic inventions and discoveries

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:53 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:Ah the word games and the deliberate misreading of the point. At least I hope it is deliberate.

The point I am making there is that we and the other contemporary primates are cousins, where unless you come from a redneck family (however if the misreading is not deliberate the level of intelligence you are displaying appears to show excessive inbreeding aka village idiot syndrome) your cousin is not your ancestor.


Oh, never mind telling me how familiar you are to chimps; you haven't told me how come you have by-passed any relatedness to dinosaurs.


but i told you
Mammals diverged from the Reptiles probably about 300 million years ago, long before the Dinosaurs evolved the Reptiles of 300 MYA evolved into various forms, including the crocodiles and lizards we have to day and including Dinosaurs, which became extinct, and mammals diverged and developed separately and in parallel, but only achieved pre-eminence from about 65 million years back., but no we are not descended from the dinosaurs: [b]they were on a different branch of the same tree - very distant cousins of our contemporaneous mammalian ancestors. but not ancestors of humans[/b].


Are your cousins by any chance a parent of any children you may have? the Answer is no! (you are married to a Briton are you not) so you share grandparents but that is where the common line of descent ended

It is a bit like Ancient Minoan and GreeK. Both in the dim and distant past had a common root but they diverged and over time both mutated until they were both were mutually unintelligable to either each other or the root language. Like EG Gaelic and Greek.
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Re: Hellenic inventions and discoveries

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:25 pm

Despite branding the term around, you don't seem to understand what having a 'common ancestor' actually means.

Perhaps if you googled "Concestor" you might make a mind-shift. (Although, there could be a pitfall with that one; but it will be amusing to see how you cope. :) )
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Re: Hellenic inventions and discoveries

Postby bigOz » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:32 pm

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bigOz wrote:Yeah sure! Just like they invented the Döner Kebap (Greeks decided to call it "gyro" hundred years later :lol: ) and Turkish Coffee (Greeks decided anything "Turkish" cannot be good so it became "Greek Coffee" in Greek restaurants and bars :lol: ). And where is it that says yoghurt (yoğurt in Turkish) was ever Greek? Why are Greeks calling it "Greek yoghurt" - never knew it had a friggin nationality! Soon they will want to patent the bastard things as well! :o

To be honest, Greeks have been inventors of nothing but vandalising thieves when they arrived in today's "Greece" from an unknown origin up North! When they could not destroy, they stole the culture, the alphabet, the names and even the history of the land they occupied. Now they end up as a bunch of Fairies living in a Fairy land with plenty of Fairy tales called "mythology". If they managed to rename Döner Kebap, Yoghurt and Turkish Coffee in few decades, it is no great surprise they have now convinced themselves that everyone who lived in and around today's Greece were also Greeks. :D

OK I GIVE UP GIG! THE WHOLE WORLD IS GREEK - AWAITING TO BE DISCOVERED! :roll: What a flacking boring World indeed :(

Ottoman & Seljuk Turks (i.e. Mongols) were nomadic savages. 'Turkish cuisine' simply never existed. It's a mixture of Greek and Arabic cuisines. :wink:


If that is what they teach you in history then that is fine! But who were not savages at that time? Everyone was killing and pillaging other civilisations so why should the Ottomans or Seljuk's be different. Perhaps you can name ma an empire that did not act as savages! In fact, Mmy own study shows that some historians describe the Greeks coming from North into Balkans were themselves savages!

As for Turks, they were not Mongols! They were Turks at all times where they lived South West of Mongolia squeezed between Mongols and the Chinese. That is why the nations ranging From Mongolia and parts of West China down to Iran is called "TURKIC".

As for the cuisine, I disagree - there is no Greek cuisine but Mediterranean cuisine that got picked up by everyone. The Turkish cuisine is one of the richest in the world because it is what was left by the Ottomans, hence a mixture of North African, Middle East, Asian, and Mediterranean cuisines. And what is wrong with that? :) Perhaps you can name me some original Greek dishes?

By the way, if you aver find out more about Mongolia, you will see that they have been and are still making traditional "shish kebabs" on wooden skewers going back many centuries. They are barbecued in exactly the same way we do them in our restaurants and homes in the West today!I do not remember any Greek chef travelling to Mongolia (or any other expeditions) teaching Mongols how to make "souvlaki" :lol: Which is another stolen dish by the Greeks that I forgot to list above...
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