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Postby sophisticatedbeggar » Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:15 pm

In Greece, you find a large Turkish minority (who do not wish to be presented as Greeks that has converted to Islam) in Thrace, a small Albanian minority in Epiros

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This article is as old as the desert sands... It was written in 1999 and since then we have come to realise that the Sharia law is applied in the large Turkish minority in Thrace (which outnumbers the Greek community btw) under the not so watchful and interested eye of the greek state. Also, the small Albanian minority in Epiros (I understand the article is talking about the "Vlachous" of Epiros?) has multipled so much that in many Greek public schools the Albanian kids outnumber the Greek...

Finally, since this article was written Greeks have invaded FYROM but not the way the fellow writer would have thought back in 1999... Now, it's the Slavic Macedonians that learn Greek in order to work in Greek enterprises that have virtually invaded the neighbouring country (actually Greece is the number one investor country in Slavic Macedonia). Were you saying something about the embargo placed by Greece on FYROM?
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:22 pm

sophisticatedbeggar wrote:This article is as old as the desert sands... It was written in 1999 and since then we have come to realise that the Sharia law is applied in the large Turkish minority in Thrace (which outnumbers the Greek community btw) under the not so watchful and interested eye of the greek state.


I am so sick of people talking about Sharia law in those areas. It just shows how ignorant you are of your own country. I have been to northern greece, xanthni and thessaloniki, and none of the turks I have met appeared religious to me. The only religious people are the elderly, who follow traditional, but they are by far very tolerant and openminded - honour killings and other rituals commonly associated with sharia law are just out of the question. Sharia law is just wishful thinking that some greek nationalists use to discredit these people and their problems. In fact the turks of the region were and are the most secular turks that have ever lived. Ataturk was from Macedonia and many of his ideas were influenced by the largely secular environment in which he was brought up.

Also, the small Albanian minority in Epiros (I understand the article is talking about the "Vlachous" of Epiros?) has multipled so much that in many Greek public schools the Albanian kids outnumber the Greek...

I have an albanian friend from Tirana and some of her relatives have emigrated to greece for economic reasons. She mentions that they suffered a lot of racism and discrimination. As far as albanians outnumbering greeks in school is concerned, this is a clear indication of the segregation to which these people are subjected. Would any "self-respecting" greek go to school with alabanians?

Finally, since this article was written Greeks have invaded FYROM but not the way the fellow writer would have thought back in 1999... Now, it's the Slavic Macedonians that learn Greek in order to work in Greek enterprises that have virtually invaded the neighbouring country (actually Greece is the number one investor country in Slavic Macedonia). Were you saying something about the embargo placed by Greece on FYROM?

Great, I think it was Karamanlis who said that boundaries that are crossed by traders, are never crossed by armies. I hope Greece continues to normalize her relationships with Macedonia, but the embargo placed by Greece on Macedonia did happen, and it was overturned only after pressure from the EU. By the way I am happy that many macedonians are learning greek, it just shows their respect towards you culture and language, I only wish greeks would overcome their superiority superbalkan complex, and try to show respect to slavic macedonians and learn their language as well.
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:26 pm

ELLAS H TEFRA!

I agree with most of the evaluations of human rights in Turkey that you have so diligently copy-pasted in accordance with your national duty towards Greece, and in fact I support them, since they are so important in improving the situation in Turkey. What I fail to understand is what is the link between Turkey and the topic of this thread?
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Postby ELLAS H TEFRA! » Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:52 pm

Judge, but be prepared to be judged yourself!
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Postby bg_turk » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:44 am

My intention was not to judge you, and I apologize if it so appeared.
I simply tried to express my annoyance at your urge to bring up Turkey every time Greece is criticized.
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Postby ELLAS H TEFRA! » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:25 am

Once more you have missed the point entirely!
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