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Re: Playing Hard Ball: Cypriot President threatens to resign

Postby apc2010 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:43 pm

DrCyprus wrote:We can't do anything about it, and it's out of our control.

If they have to leave, then power to them and I personally wholeheartedly wish them the best. Personally, I think we should send some more Cypriots to the U.K to get some good jobs. At least they have a good level of English unlike the Spaniards.

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I don't think many will leave (expats) , more likely Cypriots looking for work abroad......or maybe that exodus of Cypriot students blocking the unis in the UK.......
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Re: Playing Hard Ball: Cypriot President threatens to resign

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue May 14, 2013 1:02 pm

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I know that stud - but people only really needed help with tuition fees since the recent hike. I actually don't know of ANY Cypriot students who have gone for these loans. Most use the bank of mum-and-dad. Their take-up was minimal till now probably. But still, they are not due to be paid back till salaries kick over £21,000 or so.

People really underestimate how even a 1% student drop affects these institutions and I really feel for them.

UK wants student loan money back
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cypriots/uk-wants-student-loan-money-back/20130514
CYPRIOT GRADUATES of British universities top the list of EU graduates who owe the most money to the UK’s Student Loans Company (SLC).
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Re: Playing Hard Ball: Cypriot President threatens to resign

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue May 14, 2013 1:31 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:


I know that stud - but people only really needed help with tuition fees since the recent hike. I actually don't know of ANY Cypriot students who have gone for these loans. Most use the bank of mum-and-dad. Their take-up was minimal till now probably. But still, they are not due to be paid back till salaries kick over £21,000 or so.

People really underestimate how even a 1% student drop affects these institutions and I really feel for them.

UK wants student loan money back
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cypriots/uk-wants-student-loan-money-back/20130514
CYPRIOT GRADUATES of British universities top the list of EU graduates who owe the most money to the UK’s Student Loans Company (SLC).


Right now, all this is media speculation generated by the anti-EU brigade. We'll wait to see how it pans out because there's a lot of playing with statistics. The problem is in the realization that since they set up the criteria for paying off the loans (i.e' above a certain threshold in salary) we have seen wages decrease and unemployment among graduates increase (in UK too - I know of one UK graduate who had ~4 years of loans but only does part-time work as a teacher so that she does not have to pay back her loan. She told me after 20 years it would be written off - haven't time to read their small print to see if this bit is true).
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Re: Playing Hard Ball: Cypriot President threatens to resign

Postby B25 » Tue May 14, 2013 1:32 pm

They should just deduct it from the unpaid SBA rents that haven't been paid since 1963.
The idea of student loans was criminal IMHO. You borrow to be a 'higher' earner to pay higher taxes. This a bollocks situation. When I was in Uni I was paid to go :)
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Re: Playing Hard Ball: Cypriot President threatens to resign

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue May 14, 2013 10:19 pm

B25 wrote:They should just deduct it from the unpaid SBA rents that haven't been paid since 1963.
The idea of student loans was criminal IMHO. You borrow to be a 'higher' earner to pay higher taxes. This a bollocks situation. When I was in Uni I was paid to go :)

No rents are payable for the SBA. I understand that IF any rents are due (may be they are maybe ther are not) it is on property outside of the SBA.
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Re: Playing Hard Ball: Cypriot President threatens to resign

Postby observer » Tue May 14, 2013 10:39 pm

There was never any rent paid for the SBAs. Why should there be? By treaty, rightly or wrongly, it is British Territory.

People confuse it with Financial Aid (Cyprus was then a poor country) promised in Appendix R of the Treaty of Establishment. I don't know how much was paid, but it was due to stop in 1965.
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Re: Playing Hard Ball: Cypriot President threatens to resign

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue May 14, 2013 11:13 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
B25 wrote:They should just deduct it from the unpaid SBA rents that haven't been paid since 1963.
The idea of student loans was criminal IMHO. You borrow to be a 'higher' earner to pay higher taxes. This a bollocks situation. When I was in Uni I was paid to go :)

No rents are payable for the SBA. I understand that IF any rents are due (may be they are maybe ther are not) it is on property outside of the SBA.


They entered into a contract. Of course remuneration is applicable otherwise the contract is null and void.

an agreement is reached between the Government of the
United Kingdom and the Government of the Republic of Cyprus on the amount of any
compensation or annual rent or both to be paid by the former to the latter Government


(d) the Government of the United Kingdom shall pay to the Government of the
Republic of Cyprus a sum representing any diminution in value of such immovable
property which results from the presence on or in it of anything which reverts to the
latter Government


(b) in any other case, a periodic sum equal to the rent which might reasonably
be expected to be payable by a tenant in occupation of such immovable property
under a lease whereby such tenant undertook to bear the cost of the repairs and
insurance and other expenses, if any, necessary to maintain the immovable property
concerned in a state to command that rent:


4. (a) For the purpose of assessing the sums referred to in paragraphs 2 and 3
of this Section, the immovable property concerned shall be taken to be in the
condition in which it was when first occupied or used by the Government of the
United Kingdom, at United Kingdom authority, or an authorised service organisation.


5. For the purposes of this Section damage to property shall include—
(a) loss of wages and expenses reasonably incurred by a person in connexion
with the clearance from a range area or training area of persons or of
livestock if required by or under this Part of this Annex, or in connexion
with their return to the range area or training area; and
(b) expenses and loss of profit unavoidably incurred by a person in occupation
of land in a range area or training area by reason of his being unable to
make use of that land during a period in which entry to it is prohibited or
persons and livestock are excluded from it by or under this Part of this
Annex.


Hmm

(e) The United Kingdom authorities shall, for so long as they require the
facility to use Tymbou airfield as provided in Section 8 of this Part of this Annex,
make a contribution covering the costs of any rental payments or payments for any
maintenance undertaken at United Kingdom request made by the authorities of the
Republic of Cyprus for land forming part of the runways, taxiways and dispersal areas
at Tymbou which is at the date of entry into force of this Treaty in private ownership.
The amount of this contribution by the United Kingdom authorities shall be
negotiated between the United Kingdom authorities and the authorities of the
Republic of Cyprus.


2. (a) The Republic of Cyprus shall have the right to retain all landing fees and
other similar fees charged for the use of the airfield by civil aircraft (including United
Kingdom military aircraft registered as civil aircraft).


Subject to the provisions of this Treaty, the United Kingdom shall make
payments in respect of the items indicated below:
(a) Fees and charges which may in accordance with any legislation for the
time being in force in the Republic of Cyprus be levied or taken in the
Department of Lands and Surveys of the Republic of Cyprus in matters
relating to immovable property, and stamp duties payable under the
provisions of any such legislation in respect of transfers immovable
property;
(b) A contribution to the Republic of Cyprus, in respect of immovable
property occupied by the United Kingdom authorities within the territory
of the Republic of Cyprus, which shall be calculated on basis to be agreed
between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Cyprus taking into
account the extent to which facilities or services rendered by local
authorities and normally included in general tating assessments are
enjoyed by the United Kingdom authorities and the services and facilities
provided or undertaken by the United Kingdom authorities on their own
behalf,
(c) Port dues, fees and charges which may be levied or taken in accordance
with any legislation for the time being in force in the Republic of Cyprus;
(d) Subject to such special agreements as may be concluded with regard to
public utilities, payments for services provided by public utilities in the
Republic of Cyprus to the United Kingdom authorities in connexion with
the supply of water, electricity, gas and telecommunications services;

(f) Reimbursement of any compensation due to any person for any diminution
in the market value of any tangible property, or for any loss or damage in
consequence of the restriction in the use of, or the prohibition of
accessibility to, any immovable property, resulting from the exercise of
the control referred to in sub-paragraph (e) (i) of this Section;
(g) Fees and charges which may in accordance with any legislation for the
time being in force in the Republic of Cyprus be levied or taken in respect
of the grant of any permit, licence or certificate relating to the
construction of any building or structure or in respect of the grant of any
permission to develop immovable property;
(h)Fees, rents and other annual charges which may in accordance with. any
legislation for the time being in force in the Republic of Cyprus be levied
or taken in respect of the grant of any permit, lease or licence for
quarrying or for the extraction and removal of stones, shingle, sand, gravel
or other substance from any part of the foreshore;
(i) Overtime fees payable in accordance with any legislation for the time being
in force in the Republic of Cyprus to officers of the Republic of Cyprus in
respect of services rendered to the United Kingdom authorities at ports or
airports of the Republic of Cyprus;
(j) Sums payable in accordance with any legislation for the time being in force
in the Republic of Cyprus to any municipality or other local authority as a
contribution to the cost of the construction of any public street on which
immovable property owned by a United Kingdom authority abuts;


This is very interesting:
2. At the request of the authorities of the Republic of Cyprus, the United
Kingdom authorities shall within the Site arrange for such reasonable control over
activities, including the erection of installations, and operation of radio and electrical
equipment, as may be considered necessary by the authorities of the Republic of
Cyprus to ensure the efficient operation and use of Nicosia Airfield.


etc
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Re: Playing Hard Ball: Cypriot President threatens to resign

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed May 15, 2013 12:14 am

Most of the above are not rents or for EG Tymbou are not a part of the SBA
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Re: Playing Hard Ball: Cypriot President threatens to resign

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed May 15, 2013 10:39 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:Most of the above are not rents or for EG Tymbou are not a part of the SBA


Along with all the other charges, fees, licence payments, compensations and rentals (that is NOT the whole list btw ... I just got bored halfway through the document) ... there is this firm stipulation which is a cover-all for rent!

an agreement is reached between the Government of the
United Kingdom and the Government of the Republic of Cyprus on the amount of any
compensation or annual rent or both to be paid by the former to the latter Government


All in all ... unless the UK has been paying up for the last 50 years, they have a serious debt accrued!
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Re: Playing Hard Ball: Cypriot President threatens to resign

Postby Paphitis » Wed May 15, 2013 12:06 pm

There is another issue to those Treaties besides money, which jeopardises their validity entirely.

The Treaty of Guarantee, clearly makes the UK responsible for the Security and Territorial Integrity of the Republic of Cyprus. The UK has clearly failed the RoC in keeping its word and maintaining its legal obligations to the RoC. Therefore, the validity of the SBAs can be questioned by the RoC as the UK has failed to abide by all Treaties and obligations to the RoC!

There is clearly a case here for the UK to answer!
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