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[sven]

Does anybody else see a resemblance?

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/lord%20haw_haw.htm

Lord Haw-Haw, William Joyce, became a figure of fascination and hate in World War Two. Lord Haw-Haw's voice was heard on German radio especially during the dark days of the Blitz when the fighting spirit of Great Britain was put to the test.

[…]

Joyce's broadcasts were anti-Semitic and poked fun at the British war leader Winston Churchill. It is thought that on average six million people listened to Joyce each broadcast. Many found the broadcasts so absurd that they were seen as a way of relieving the tedium of life in Britain during the war.

You know, what I don't get, is why you deliberately miss the point, we are not having a 'GO' at Cypriots, we have our fraudsters , thieves and paedophiles in the UK government, We all want Cyprus to do well. To see the future you only have to remember the past, and trying to link what bob or I say to Lord Haw Haw seems to be deliberate misdirection. Did you look at the link I posted, because the information I put up in that post is from the HM treasury and the Bank of England's own website, ho hum you can lead a donkey to water.......
Sometimes whole countries can get things utterly wrong. This is usually because they prefer soft dreams to the raw truth.
We all know now that Neville Chamberlain made a huge fool of himself when he came back from Munich in September 1938 claiming to have won ‘peace for our time’ and ‘peace with honour’, and waving a worthless piece of paper in which Hitler promised that Britain and Germany would never go to war again.

Tim can you see the resemblance ?

[Tim Drayton]

I remember my late mother describing how her whole family used to gather around the radio to listen in fits of laughter as Lord Haw-Haw told them that Britain was finished.

If you want to sow panic and despair, you at least have to come up with something that vaguely matches the reality on the ground.

[B0B]

PS - Give it a rest, will ya? We have all worked out by now that you are expats living in property that was expropriated from its rightful owners when they fled from the Turkish army.

you my friend are paranoid and crazy - unlike you i live in limassol
i know a few people with businesses here and they are about to close facing bankruptcy
how about that for "reality on the ground"

I think Bob invested in bitcoins. Since the news for a haircut in Cyprus was announced earlier this month the price of bitcoin went from $50 to $90. He is now trying to raise the price of bitcoins more Bob... my advice is to sell your bitcoins now. Cyprus will not explode and I think you are now looking at a peak for bitcoin... for now at least

another crazy paranoid - i dont give a rats ass about bitcoin - i found the info on zerohedge and a linked the source

you two deniers - do you even live in cyprus?
do you even talk to real people living in cyprus?
or do you sit comfortably in your homes in uk or wherever else
and enjoy the fairytale reality of your memories about the single time you visited cyprus years ago?
do you even read the news about cyprus?
heres a source you would have a hard time denying
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/ ... 3I20130329

Under conditions expected to be announced on Saturday, depositors in Bank of Cyprus will get shares in the bank worth 37.5 percent of their deposits over 100,000 euros, the source told Reuters, while the rest of their deposits may never be paid back.

so tell me you two big heads - how is a business to continue functioning after such daylight robbery?
answer the question or never come back to this thread you traitors!

[sven]

you at least have to come up with something that vaguely matches the reality on the ground.

So why don't you Tim, go on address the reality on the ground, what IS your projection for the 'seasonly adjusted employment figures' what IS your estimation of the cost in lost income taxes, what IS your calculation of how much extra borrowong the Government is going to have to raise to meet unemployment benefits, what IS your Informed advice on where those extra finances are going to come from, would those extra required finances come from the IMF perhaps, known to rape natural resources from sovereign countries or perhaps raised taxes and extra burdens on the GOOD people of Cyprus. What is going to help the people of Cyprus is their close knit families and that sir is something the Troika will try to break. Real men, Tim are able to see the reality of a situation and prepare for it, not sit on their backside and say everything going to be alright.


So Tim, what IS your reality to these links, tell me they are not putting in place legislation, to do in the UK exactly what they have done in Cyprus, now remember the links are from 'OFFICIAL' sources, I only point out their words.
you might not be aware of the changes to the Banking Act 2009. Changes that specifically make it ‘legal’ to steal directly from your back accounts, for example :-
Currently section 3 states,
Interpretation: other expressions In this Part— “the FSA” means the Financial Services Authority, and “financial assistance” has the meaning given by section 257. it is to be changed to
In section 3 (interpretation: other expressions), after .this Part.. insert...client assets. means assets which an institution has undertaken to hold for a client (whether or not on trust, and whether or not the undertaking has been complied with),..
And in section 47 (3) existing clause is
(3)Provision under subsection (2) may, in particular, refer to particular classes of deposit. ( to be changed to)
In section 47 (restriction of partial transfers), for subsection (3) substitute..(3) Provision under subsection (2) may, in particular, refer to. (a) particular classes of deposit; (b) particular classes of client assets..
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2009/1/contents Banking Act 2009
The above changes can be found in this link to the pdf file
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/condoc_ ... _notes.pdf
The Title to the webpage the “Financial sector resolution: broadening the regime” and the link is
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/consult_f ... regime.htm

Now I want to draw your attention to this pdf
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publicat ... /nr156.pdf Dated 12th December 2012
On page 5 S,(23) it says

Where barriers to resolution are identified, firms will be required to remove them through changes to their structure and operations. The proposed RRD provides authorities with the necessary powers to achieve this, including the ability to require changes to the legal or operational structures of institutions, and to require firms to cease specific activities.see note 8
Note 8
8 See Article 14(4) of the proposed RRD, including 14(4)(e) “requiring the institution to limit or cease specific existing or proposed activities,” and 14(4)(g) “requiring changes to legal or operational structures of the institution so as to reduce complexity in order to ensure that critical functions may be legally and economically separated from other functions through the application of the resolution tools.”

The above paragraphs make it possible to do exactly what they have done in Cyprus, block all access to your savings ie:- Credit and Debit cards, ATM’s etc.

[Tim Drayton]

This is a small island. If you have EU passports you can easily cross over and see the reality here.

[sven]

This is a small island. If you have EU passports you can easily cross over and see the reality here.

Still not addressing the REALITY Tim ?

Not able to counter the points above, eh. Maybe it is that you've seen the light, but just don't have the guts to admit it.
Go on address the points or maybe you know you can't rebut them.

[supporttheunderdog]

PS - Give it a rest, will ya? We have all worked out by now that you are expats living in property that was expropriated from its rightful owners when they fled from the Turkish army.

you my friend are paranoid and crazy - unlike you i live in limassol
i know a few people with businesses here and they are about to close facing bankruptcy
how about that for "reality on the ground"

I think Bob invested in bitcoins. Since the news for a haircut in Cyprus was announced earlier this month the price of bitcoin went from $50 to $90. He is now trying to raise the price of bitcoins more Bob... my advice is to sell your bitcoins now. Cyprus will not explode and I think you are now looking at a peak for bitcoin... for now at least

another crazy paranoid - i dont give a rats ass about bitcoin - i found the info on zerohedge and a linked the source

you two deniers - do you even live in cyprus?
do you even talk to real people living in cyprus?
or do you sit comfortably in your homes in uk or wherever else
and enjoy the fairytale reality of your memories about the single time you visited cyprus years ago?
do you even read the news about cyprus?
heres a source you would have a hard time denying
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/ ... 3I20130329

Under conditions expected to be announced on Saturday, depositors in Bank of Cyprus will get shares in the bank worth 37.5 percent of their deposits over 100,000 euros, the source told Reuters, while the rest of their deposits may never be paid back.

so tell me you two big heads - how is a business to continue functioning after such daylight robbery?
answer the question or never come back to this thread you traitors!

Tim lives in Limassol too so he is as probably as in touch with the local situation as you are,,,,

[Tim Drayton]

Sorry, starting to think you are genuine. I thought you were a mate of "user from germany" who turned out not to know any German, and soon showed a clean pair of heels.
I just don't have time to engage in lengthy debate just now. I am a freelancer and have a full work load in front of me. I started at 6.30 this morning and will be full at it until the evening and will do the same again tomorrow. If it continues like this, I will paying a good amount of temporary tax to the government in July and they need it.
Yes, the next two months will be very tough, but the banks have not collapsed, the shops are still fully stocked and the euros in our wallets and in our bank accounts are still worth the same. Cyprus will pull back from the abyss and I am suspicious about people who seem to have an agenda of spreading panic and fear. Perhaps I got you wrong. Sorry.

[sven]

Sorry, starting to think you are genuine. I thought you were a mate of "user from germany" who turned out not to know any German, and soon showed a clean pair of heels.
I just don't have time to engage in lengthy debate just now. I am a freelancer and have a full work load in front of me. I started at 6.30 this morning and will be full at it until the evening and will do the same again tomorrow. If it continues like this, I will paying a good amount of temporary tax to the government in July and they need it.
Yes, the next two months will be very tough, but the banks have not collapsed, the shops are still fully stocked and the euros in our wallets and in our bank accounts are still worth the same. Cyprus will pull back from the abyss and I am suspicious about people who seem to have an agenda of spreading panic and fear. Perhaps I got you wrong. Sorry.

Tim, you have got me wrong, I am not a scaremonger, I see the reality, I look at the Government websites, I look at the Legislation the Government uses, I look at the way that Legislation is implemented. Ask yourself this, WHY ? , why is the Government amending the legislation so that it can carry out the Cyprus Capture in the UK, it does not do that on a whim. The documents are all OFFICIAL documents, THEIR words, and the documents are dated November and December 2012, that is when they were published, the discussion and the drawing up of those documents have taken place far in advance of when they were published . They have been considering these measures for some time, there lies the 'INTENT'.
Think about it, what HAS happened in Cyprus has NOT come out of the blue, the delegation sent to implement the 'agreement' between the Troika and the Cypriot government, has not come from Germany at the request of Herr Merkell, it has not come from the IMF and it has not come from the ECB, the delegation to implement has come from the UK, can you see the implication of that.
Look Tim, bob who I do not know, says there are businesses in Limassol that are going bankrupt, and I know there is a business in Larnaca letting go 80% off their staff ,and he is not sure whether he is going to have to close altogether, businesses have had their operating capital stolen, was it not last year that business rates/valuations went up 25% (that is from memory & paraphrased). Cyprus is an Island and as far as the Troika go, they know that Islands are easy to isolate. The better prepared you are, the MORE likely you are going to be to survive it, but don't be conned into believing that the system that got YOU into this situation is going to get you out of it. It won't if you sit back and let it do what it has always done, Government is supposed to represent the people, but government seems to have lost sight of that mandate. The situation in Cyprus means the Government needs closer scrutiny by the people. I repeat what has happened in Cyprus has not happened by mistake, you only have to look at the UK government and the Bank of England documents to realise that, it is in black and white.

[Tim Drayton]

Sorry, starting to think you are genuine. I thought you were a mate of "user from germany" who turned out not to know any German, and soon showed a clean pair of heels.
I just don't have time to engage in lengthy debate just now. I am a freelancer and have a full work load in front of me. I started at 6.30 this morning and will be full at it until the evening and will do the same again tomorrow. If it continues like this, I will paying a good amount of temporary tax to the government in July and they need it.
Yes, the next two months will be very tough, but the banks have not collapsed, the shops are still fully stocked and the euros in our wallets and in our bank accounts are still worth the same. Cyprus will pull back from the abyss and I am suspicious about people who seem to have an agenda of spreading panic and fear. Perhaps I got you wrong. Sorry.

Tim, you have got me wrong, I am not a scaremonger, I see the reality, I look at the Government websites, I look at the Legislation the Government uses, I look at the way that Legislation is implemented. Ask yourself this, WHY ? , why is the Government amending the legislation so that it can carry out the Cyprus Capture in the UK, it does not do that on a whim. The documents are all OFFICIAL documents, THEIR words, and the documents are dated November and December, that is when they were published, the discussion and the drawing up of those documents have taken place far in advance of when they were published . They have been considering these measures for some time, there lies the 'INTENT'.
Think about it, what HAS happened in Cyprus has NOT come out of the blue, the delegation sent to implement the 'agreement' between the Troika and the Cypriot government, has not come from Germany at the request of Herr Merkell, it has not come from the IMF and it has not come from the ECB, the delegation to implement has come from the UK, can you see the implication of that.
Look Tim, bob who I do not know, says there are businesses in Limassol that are going bankrupt, and I know there is a business in Larnaca letting go 80% off their staff ,and he is not sure whether he is going to have to close altogether, businesses have had their operating capital stolen, was it not last year that business rates/valuations went up 25% (that is from memory & paraphrased). Cyprus is an Island and as far as the Troika go, they know that Islands are easy to isolate. The better prepared you are, the MORE likely you are going to be to survive it, but don't be conned into believing that the system that got YOU into this situation is going to get you out of it. It won't if you sit back and let it do what it has always done, Government is supposed to represent the people, but government seems to have lost sight of that mandate. The situation in Cyprus means the Government needs closer scrutiny by the people. I repeat what has happened in Cyprus has not happened by mistake, you only have to look at the UK government and the Bank of England documents to realise that, it is in black and white.

I accept most of what you say, and in fact I look with suspicion at all of the crises that have kept on erupting all over the world ever since the era of Reagan and Thatcher that always end in externally imposed mass privatisations, i.e. the opening up to global capital of areas like health and education that were once regarded as being the prerogative of the state to provide to its citizens. The one thing that makes me optimistic, though, is that if you look at any country where these crises have occurred, ten years down the line everything is back to normal except that global capital has its fingers in a lot of pies that it was not involved in before, and the distribution of income is a lot less even.

It is true that in the case of Cyprus, Merkel and Schauble went straight for the jugular. However, you also have to admit that this does not appear to have been an externally engineered crisis. If the executives of Laiki and BoC had not decided behind closed doors to put the bulk of their banks' funds into Greek bonds, we wouldn't be where we are today. I, for one, want to know more about the course of events behind that decision, and hope that more information will eventually come to light.