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Postby Kifeas » Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:27 pm

Khan wrote:Alexis, if the Turkish army withdrew to Turkey the situation would be even worse than in the 1960's. The plan back then was to take control of the island before Turkey could intervene, the plan would be the same now except you'd be considered to be within your rights to attack TC's this time. Think of the UN and EU resolutions condeming Turkeys intervetion and the TRNC since 1974, legally there is nothing between GC occupying TC land except the Turkish army.


Khan,
Are you a Turkish Cypriot and what age are you, …if I am not indiscrete?
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Postby Alexis » Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:56 pm

Alexis, if the Turkish army withdrew to Turkey the situation would be even worse than in the 1960's. The plan back then was to take control of the island before Turkey could intervene, the plan would be the same now except you'd be considered to be within your rights to attack TC's this time. Think of the UN and EU resolutions condeming Turkeys intervetion and the TRNC since 1974, legally there is nothing between GC occupying TC land except the Turkish army.

If the Turkish army across the meditterenean didn't deter GC 30 years ago, why should it now?


There's a big difference between what happened 30 years ago and what you are saying could happen now.
In '74 the coupists did take control of the island but did not impinge (in any meaningful way) on the TC enclaves until Turkey intervened. This is a well documented fact backed up by sources from UNFICYP as well as others. That is not to say that there was no intent to impinge on those enclaves, it just did not happen until Turkey intervened.
Turkey's military might then was not the same as now, and the coupists were led to believe that they had the backing of the Greek Junta and therefore the Greek armed forces. Unfortunately for them what they didn't bank on was the collapse of the Junta within days of the coup leaving a power vacuum in Greece and a lack of timely support from Greece (it was the second war before any sizeable Greek forces mobilised and these were under Karamanlis' administration which was conducting round the clock talks with the Turkish government to stop the fighting by that time). This is when Turkey chose to strike. She had 11 years to wait for a chance to strike (and some experts believe to build up her military capability to a good enough standard to intervene) and those coupist d!ckheads gave her the perfect opportunity to do so. It was not an accident.

What you are suggesting would happen now without the Turkish Army would demand a pre-meditated attack on a well-defined area of land against an organised force (the TC forces) with almost certainly no backing from Greece (imagine how much better Turk-Greek relations would get if Turkey removed her troops from Cyprus).
It is almost inconceivable that this could happen imo.

Think of the UN and EU resolutions condeming Turkeys intervetion and the TRNC since 1974, legally there is nothing between GC occupying TC land except the Turkish army.


I find this statement rather ironic since Turkish troops are 'illegally' in Cyprus, perhaps I'm reading it wrong. Legally there is nothing between GC occupying TC land (by which i take it you mean the TRNC) Turkish army or not. The RoC's attempts to do so by force in either case would lead to war and NATO intervention imo, it would simply be a stupid idea.
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Postby akiner » Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:38 am

Question: Why blah blah blah blah in Cyprus

and the answers is "Why not" decorated with a nice!!!! photo
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1964 Donald McCullin, İngiltere
Kıbrıs'ta bir Türk kadın Rumlar tarafından öldürülen kocasının yasını tutuyor. Olaydan çok etkilenen İngiliz McCullin, olaya fotoğrafçı gözüyle baktığı ve bir sosyal görevli gibi yardım edemediği için suçluluk duyduğunu itiraf ediyor.

It is just an another shame to tell off people's own shames on their faces directly, so i dont translate the info section of this photo, probably kibrisli got the meaning and it is enough for me
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Postby akiner » Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:05 am

sorry bg_turk i forgot to thank to u, for brought that photosource to us

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Postby despo » Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:04 pm

The question in the thread title is "Why 40,000 Turkish soldiers in Cyprus???" I do not know whether the figure is actually 40,000 or whether that is an exaggeration. But the answer is quite simple: because in April 2004 the Greek Cypriots said a big, fat "No" to the possibility of them leaving.
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Postby RAFAELLA » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:30 pm

despo wrote:The question in the thread title is "Why 40,000 Turkish soldiers in Cyprus???" I do not know whether the figure is actually 40,000 or whether that is an exaggeration. But the answer is quite simple: because in April 2004 the Greek Cypriots said a big, fat "No" to the possibility of them leaving.


Get your facts straight.
The 40.000 troops wouldn't leave if Gcs said YES. It could have happened step by step, in a period of 18 years and with no guaranties but just counting on the goodwill of Turkey.
Can Turkey be trusted? ....you know the answer.
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Postby miltiades » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:47 pm

I think Despo should go back and study the plan , who the hell would ensure that the Turkish troops , given the length of time allocated for their withdrawal ? Where in the Plan were these guarantees that you mentioned earlier appeared. If indeed as you state these guarantees were inscribed in the plan , then I missed them along with others. Kindly point us to the part of the plan that they , gurantess , were mentioned.
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:32 pm

The Turkish troops are here to stay in Cyprus until 2 main events takes place.

(a) There's a 100% complete and satisfying peace deal to all parties ....( good luck )

(b) Turkey becomes a full member of the EU....( good luck )

Once Turkey leaves Cyprus, and wants to return again for what ever reason, eg. civil unrest, or worse, another civil war, then the RoC would, as a member of EU, would claim to be attacked by Turkey, which the EU block would have no choice but to go against Turkey militarilly. "Attack one Attack all" is the EU's motto. So, don't expect Turkey to leave any time soon, if ever.
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Postby stuballstu » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:04 am

Kikapu wrote

Once Turkey leaves Cyprus, and wants to return again for what ever reason, eg. civil unrest, or worse, another civil war, then the RoC would, as a member of EU, would claim to be attacked by Turkey, which the EU block would have no choice but to go against Turkey militarilly. "Attack one Attack all" is the EU's motto. So, don't expect Turkey to leave any time soon, if ever.


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The EU dont have such a motto, in fact the EU does not even have an army. You will find if such a thing was to happen in theory (attack by Turkey) it would be up to the UN and NATO to deal with it. Sanctions is probably the most likely thing by the EU that would happen in this situation.
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