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Re: European Principles

Postby Kikapu » Wed May 15, 2013 7:19 pm

Maximus wrote:Erdogan is power drunk, risky and thirsty for more but no one is opposing him. How is Turkey going to sort this out?


I think the plan may well be for the west, is to give Erdogan all the rope he needs to become a true dictator like Saddam, Assad, Mubarak, Qaddafi and likes and then "hang" him with the same rope. It's much easier justifying getting rid of a tyrant than someone like Erdogan who keeps getting on and off the "Democracy Bus".
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Re: European Principles

Postby Get Real! » Wed May 15, 2013 7:22 pm

I think they should give this to the TCs for old time’s sake… Kinda like a goodbye gift.

“Cyprus May Get Its Moon Rock After 40 Years”
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... ZPDsRb__Jk

And maybe they can make a ring out of it or something… :?
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Re: European Principles

Postby Maximus » Wed May 15, 2013 7:35 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:Erdogan is power drunk, risky and thirsty for more but no one is opposing him. How is Turkey going to sort this out?


I think the plan may well be for the west, is to give Erdogan all the rope he needs to become a true dictator like Saddam, Assad, Mubarak, Qaddafi and likes and then "hang" him with the same rope. It's much easier justifying getting rid of a tyrant than someone like Erdogan who keeps getting on and off the "Democracy Bus".


Yes, its possible!
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Re: European Principles

Postby observer » Wed May 15, 2013 9:14 pm

It never ceases to amaze me that the slogan for many GCs seems to be “Keep Turkey out of the EU and in Northern Cyprus”.
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Re: European Principles

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed May 15, 2013 9:40 pm

Yup! because all of Cyprus is in the EU! :D
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Re: European Principles

Postby Maximus » Wed May 15, 2013 9:45 pm

observer wrote:It never ceases to amaze me that the slogan for many GCs seems to be “Keep Turkey out of the EU and in Northern Cyprus”.


I am also amazed by those who insinuate she should just be let in, even though she has not complied with a single point of the Copenhagen criteria.
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Re: European Principles

Postby bill cobbett » Wed May 15, 2013 9:59 pm

Maximus wrote:
observer wrote:It never ceases to amaze me that the slogan for many GCs seems to be “Keep Turkey out of the EU and in Northern Cyprus”.


I am also amazed by those who insinuate she should just be let in, even though she has not complied with a single point of the Copenhagen criteria.


Yes, quite, and that's one of the points... meet the Copenhagen Criteria... and the Ankara Protocol vis-a-vis CY ... and make progress moving towards convergences in all those Chapters

... and stop Bagis and a few others in Turkey seeing the Accession Process as an endless negotiation.
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Re: European Principles

Postby Maximus » Wed May 15, 2013 10:57 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Maximus wrote:
observer wrote:It never ceases to amaze me that the slogan for many GCs seems to be “Keep Turkey out of the EU and in Northern Cyprus”.


I am also amazed by those who insinuate she should just be let in, even though she has not complied with a single point of the Copenhagen criteria.


Yes, quite, and that's one of the points... meet the Copenhagen Criteria... and the Ankara Protocol vis-a-vis CY ... and make progress moving towards convergences in all those Chapters

... and stop Bagis and a few others in Turkey seeing the Accession Process as an endless negotiation.


Exactly Bill,

Since when were the Greek Cypriots responsible for the conduct of Turks and their compliance with the Copenhagen criteria?
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Re: European Principles

Postby Get Real! » Wed May 15, 2013 11:00 pm

observer wrote:It never ceases to amaze me that the slogan for many GCs seems to be “Keep Turkey out of the EU and in Northern Cyprus”.

What should GCs do?

Let's have your take on the matter...
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Re: European Principles

Postby Oceanside50 » Thu May 16, 2013 4:56 am

bill cobbett wrote:
Maximus wrote:
observer wrote:It never ceases to amaze me that the slogan for many GCs seems to be “Keep Turkey out of the EU and in Northern Cyprus”.


I am also amazed by those who insinuate she should just be let in, even though she has not complied with a single point of the Copenhagen criteria.


Yes, quite, and that's one of the points... meet the Copenhagen Criteria... and the Ankara Protocol vis-a-vis CY ... and make progress moving towards convergences in all those Chapters

... and stop Bagis and a few others in Turkey seeing the Accession Process as an endless negotiation.


I think Erdogan and Co., even if they wanted to go through with the Ankara protocol or Copenhagen Criteria, don't have the consensus of the Turks to follow through. It was Erdpgan who signed the Ankara protocol and pushed through with the Ap plan more then 10 years ago, which was touted as a major compromise by the Turks(but still bullshit)... They've been losing in their bid to reign in Turkey towards the west. Bagis probably plays very well in the Turk press.
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