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Re: CNG - orders new Navy Corvettes from France

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:04 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:The Greeks are not allowed to produce anything.

Be grateful Greece's special relationships with both Israel and France and joint-maneuver deals have gotten us this much!


The Greeks are allowed to produce anything they like and are capable of producing. In fact, business can receive many EU subsidies, provided they can put people into gainful employment.

Israel first formed positive relations with the RoC when both parties agreed to delineate their mutual EEZ. Subsequently, Israeli Petroleum Companies were granted a licence within the Cyprus EEZ in partnership with US company Noble Energy.

It is important to note that Greece has refused to delineate its mutual EEZ with the RoC to this day.

That says it all! :roll:
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Re: CNG - orders new Navy Corvettes from France

Postby kurupetos » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:38 pm

Agriculture could be beneficial if high quality products are produced. For example, Cyprus imports tomatoes from Holland.

From my experience, Cypriot olive oil is by far superior than Italian & Spanish olive oil. Why not try to promote that? :wink:
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Re: CNG - orders new Navy Corvettes from France

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:53 pm

Greece doesn't have to delineate its EEZ with Cyprus. The whole eastern Mediterranean should be Greek!
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Re: CNG - orders new Navy Corvettes from France

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:04 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Greece doesn't have to delineate its EEZ with Cyprus. The whole eastern Mediterranean should be Greek!


Well, what a convenient answer and attempt to cover up unforgivable Greek defeatism.

What are they scared of? The Turkish Cassus Belli? No wonder Turkey has free reign to do whatever it likes. :roll:

It has to delineate its EEZ between Kastelorizo and Cyprus, otherwise Turkey will make its claim.
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Re: CNG - orders new Navy Corvettes from France

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:17 pm

Paphitis wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:The Greeks are not allowed to produce anything.

Be grateful Greece's special relationships with both Israel and France and joint-maneuver deals have gotten us this much!


The Greeks are allowed to produce anything they like and are capable of producing. In fact, business can receive many EU subsidies, provided they can put people into gainful employment.

Israel first formed positive relations with the RoC when both parties agreed to delineate their mutual EEZ. Subsequently, Israeli Petroleum Companies were granted a licence within the Cyprus EEZ in partnership with US company Noble Energy.

It is important to note that Greece has refused to delineate its mutual EEZ with the RoC to this day.

That says it all! :roll:


There are some indications though I am not sure what Status they have that Greece may have staked out its EEZ, at least informally - see http://www.hellasfrappe.blogspot.com.es/2013/02/indirect-proclamation-of-eez-greece.html. I am not aware that where UNCLOS applies there is in fact any need to formally delineate an EEZ between Cyprus and Greece as that is defined by UNCLOS: the exception might be where there is any disputed area between Cyprus and Greece, and I am aware of none. It is however important for both Greece and Cyprus to properly delineate their EEZ's because of Turkey's illegal claims to areas which fall within both, and where Turkey is not a party to UNCLOS. Turkey does not want to sign UNCLOS because either they will have to recognise Cyprus and the EEZ or they will find their EEZ is chopped off by the UN at the mid point between Cyprus and Turkey, where the ROC should get control over the area adjacent to the Northern Cyprus coast as the trnc is not a legal state capable of claiming the area, and the RoC should be recognised as the lawful government of the whole island in any arbitration.

Contary to gIG's views other countries do hopwever have lawful claims over parts of the Easterm Med, under UNCLOS which includes the RoC, Turkey, Syria, Lebannon, Isreal and Egypt.
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Re: CNG - orders new Navy Corvettes from France

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:22 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:The Greeks are not allowed to produce anything.

Be grateful Greece's special relationships with both Israel and France and joint-maneuver deals have gotten us this much!


The Greeks are allowed to produce anything they like and are capable of producing. In fact, business can receive many EU subsidies, provided they can put people into gainful employment.

Israel first formed positive relations with the RoC when both parties agreed to delineate their mutual EEZ. Subsequently, Israeli Petroleum Companies were granted a licence within the Cyprus EEZ in partnership with US company Noble Energy.

It is important to note that Greece has refused to delineate its mutual EEZ with the RoC to this day.

That says it all! :roll:


There are some indications though I am not sure what Status they have that Greece may have staked out its EEZ, at least informally - see http://www.hellasfrappe.blogspot.com.es/2013/02/indirect-proclamation-of-eez-greece.html. I am not aware that where UNCLOS applies there is in fact any need to formally delineate an EEZ between Cyprus and Greece as that is defined by UNCLOS: the exception might be where there is any disputed area between Cyprus and Greece, and I am aware of none. It is however important for both Greece and Cyprus to properly delineate their EEZ's because of Turkey's illegal claims to areas which fall within both, and where Turkey is not a party to UNCLOS. Turkey does not want to sign UNCLOS because either they will have to recognise Cyprus and the EEZ or they will find their EEZ is chopped off by the UN at the mid point between Cyprus and Turkey, where the ROC should get control over the area adjacent to the Northern Cyprus coast as the trnc is not a legal state capable of claiming the area, and the RoC should be recognised as the lawful government of the whole island in any arbitration.

Contary to gIG's views other countries do hopwever have lawful claims over parts of the Easterm Med, under UNCLOS which includes the RoC, Turkey, Syria, Lebannon, Isreal and Egypt.


You know very well the parts of the eastern Mediterranean between Greece and Cyprus (have a look at a map) would have been ONE whole indivisible, strong sum, without need for "EEZ" delineation between Cyprus and Greece if Britain/USA had not caused the isolation of Cyprus from the mainland. This is one of the main reasons Cyprus was isolated from the mainland, so that "international waters" can be delineated between Cyprus and Greece (around Crete) which weakens the strength of the Greeks in the eastern Mediterranean. Of course south and east of Cyprus the usual rules apply - but draw lines between Greek waters and Cyprus and you will see how much we have been FORCED to lose by telling us we are not Greek and deserve isolation (aka pseudo-independence).
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Re: CNG - orders new Navy Corvettes from France

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:11 pm

At any time since 1955 the chances are that Turkey would have invaded rather than allow Enosis. worst case scenario is that the whole of Cyprus would have fallen, along with loss of some Greek islands, with likely ethnic cleansing , possibly the more so if it happened in the 50's or early 60's. It was a risk in the run up to 1960, in 63 and 64', in 67, then happened in 74.

Not desirable, but possible. Too much pride at stake for Turkey where too many people would recall too clearly what happened only 35 to 40 years before. It was probably underestimation of Turkish reaction that resulted in the 1974 invasion.
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Re: CNG - orders new Navy Corvettes from France

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:13 pm

And are we all clued up as to who invited Turkey along????
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Re: CNG - orders new Navy Corvettes from France

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:23 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:And are we all clued up as to who invited Turkey along????

I suspect they muscled in.
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Re: CNG - orders new Navy Corvettes from France

Postby Paphitis » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:36 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:The Greeks are not allowed to produce anything.

Be grateful Greece's special relationships with both Israel and France and joint-maneuver deals have gotten us this much!


The Greeks are allowed to produce anything they like and are capable of producing. In fact, business can receive many EU subsidies, provided they can put people into gainful employment.

Israel first formed positive relations with the RoC when both parties agreed to delineate their mutual EEZ. Subsequently, Israeli Petroleum Companies were granted a licence within the Cyprus EEZ in partnership with US company Noble Energy.

It is important to note that Greece has refused to delineate its mutual EEZ with the RoC to this day.

That says it all! :roll:


There are some indications though I am not sure what Status they have that Greece may have staked out its EEZ, at least informally - see http://www.hellasfrappe.blogspot.com.es/2013/02/indirect-proclamation-of-eez-greece.html. I am not aware that where UNCLOS applies there is in fact any need to formally delineate an EEZ between Cyprus and Greece as that is defined by UNCLOS: the exception might be where there is any disputed area between Cyprus and Greece, and I am aware of none. It is however important for both Greece and Cyprus to properly delineate their EEZ's because of Turkey's illegal claims to areas which fall within both, and where Turkey is not a party to UNCLOS. Turkey does not want to sign UNCLOS because either they will have to recognise Cyprus and the EEZ or they will find their EEZ is chopped off by the UN at the mid point between Cyprus and Turkey, where the ROC should get control over the area adjacent to the Northern Cyprus coast as the trnc is not a legal state capable of claiming the area, and the RoC should be recognised as the lawful government of the whole island in any arbitration.

Contary to gIG's views other countries do hopwever have lawful claims over parts of the Easterm Med, under UNCLOS which includes the RoC, Turkey, Syria, Lebannon, Isreal and Egypt.


You know very well the parts of the eastern Mediterranean between Greece and Cyprus (have a look at a map) would have been ONE whole indivisible, strong sum, without need for "EEZ" delineation between Cyprus and Greece if Britain/USA had not caused the isolation of Cyprus from the mainland. This is one of the main reasons Cyprus was isolated from the mainland, so that "international waters" can be delineated between Cyprus and Greece (around Crete) which weakens the strength of the Greeks in the eastern Mediterranean. Of course south and east of Cyprus the usual rules apply - but draw lines between Greek waters and Cyprus and you will see how much we have been FORCED to lose by telling us we are not Greek and deserve isolation (aka pseudo-independence).


Greece and Cyprus are separate countries and the EEZ has to be officially delineated between the two countries in accordance with International Law (UNCLOS). Greece refuses to do this!
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