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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:57 pm

B25 wrote:
Maximus wrote:Its the Turkish "government" that has killed quite a few people in Turkey over the year. Not Condor or their products.

Lockheed Martins products have killed quite a few people in the world over the years.

Its people that kill people.


Exactly!

As the saying goes, Guns don't kill people, People, kill People.

otherwise you might want to removed from sale just about every item going.


...and if there is no Criminal Law, (the canister is non-lethal, if used correctly), who is the Criminal, no Justice seen, if not the Individual, it is, the Government.

...Brazil is big buddies with Turkey, Iran, so is Pakistan, (and India), who represent a wider circle that includes China, where they trade arms with each other most profitably; if this continues (in Turkey), I am afraid, it won't be about making piles of money, they will have to decide which side they are on, People, or Erdogan. Condor has a role to play in all of this, and they can take the lead (if they wish to remain blameless), so too Brazil, who I imagine is prepared to take on a larger role, on the world stage, neither wants to know that at best, their clients are limited to thugs, dictators, and illicit arms dealers; they want to compete for the First World market, if not become the First World market.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Maximus » Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:45 pm

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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:13 pm

...for the record:

Court: Turkey must regulate use of tear-gas

http://www.humanrightseurope.org/2014/0 ... -tear-gas/

The case concerned the death of Ataykaya’s son Tarık Ataykaya, caused by a tear-gas grenade fired by the police during an illegal demonstration.

Between 28 and 31 March 2006 many illegal demonstrations were held in Diyarbakır, turkey, following the death of fourteen members of the PKK (Workers’ Party of Kurdistan, an illegal armed organisation) during an armed clash which had occurred on 24 March 2006. During those demonstrations, nine people were killed.

On 29 March 2006, as Tarık Ataykaya was leaving the workshop where he worked, he unexpectedly found himself in the middle of a demonstration and was hit in the head by one of the tear-gas grenades fired by the police in order to disperse the demonstrators. Tarık died of his injuries a few minutes later.

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It emphasised that, so long as the Turkish system did not comply with the requirements of the European Convention, the inappropriate use of potentially fatal weapons during demonstrations was likely to give rise to violations similar to that in the present case.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:03 am

The Press Statement reads as follows:

We have just observed yet another anniversary of the September 12th military coup which has had a significant role in our political and democratic lives and continues to be a bleeding wound. The system that has replaced the rule of law with law of the powerful, has installed a network of bans and prohibitions on individual and social liberties even after the 34 years. In the recent years, we have also observed quite a few positive steps in terms of our democracy and freedoms. One of them was the constitutional reform referenda on September 12th 2010. Even though we had imagined this referenda to be a beginning, it was forgotten before even the end of the year. The militaristic constitution of 1980 continues to be an obstacle in the face of civilian thinking and liberties. Universities continue to graduate uniform persons with the help of Higher Authority for Education. The legal institutions which are supposed to spread justice, get shaped with power-relations and interest struggles. The media which should be independent and unbiased revolve around interest relations. Our people and cities turn paler just like the democratic promises of the government. In Turkey, which has a ranking of 154 in press freedom, 90 in human development index and 88 in international democratic index, all these are announced as “New Turkey”. We the youth of Turkey who wish to see our liberties and democracy among the level of developed countries, refuse to act as three monkeys against all these going on. We do not approve of the backlash in democracy’s basic principles such as basic rights and freedoms, separation of powers. Yet, in order to protest against the backlash and backwardness we have been experiencing as a society and country, we will march backwards. We hereby set a note in history in terms of our values and principles by taking a step back, and continue to walk towards a much brighter future for Turkey.


Turkey: Protesters March Backwards to Symbolize Loss of Democratic Values

http://my.firedoglake.com/greydog/2014/ ... tic-value/


I just love the way Turks (against "Turks") find ways to demonstrate their desires so creatively...
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:24 pm

[13] Family of Gezi victim faces 10 years in prison for harassing son's killer

Turkish Hurriyet Daily News (17.10.14) reports that members of the Sarisuluk family, whose son Ethem Sarisuluk was shot dead during last summer's Gezi protests, could face up to 10 years in prison following a criminal complaint by the man's convicted killer.
Ahmet Sahbaz, who was sentenced to seven years and nine months in prison last month for Sarisuluk's murder, has filed a complaint against members of the victim's family after they knocked off his fake wig and beard during an altercation outside a court hearing on Sept. 23, 2013.

Sahbaz's lawyers have opened a case against members of the Sarisuluk family on allegations of premeditated injury and defamation, demanding up to seven years and nine months for the murder victim's mother, Sayfi Sarisuluk, and two of his brothers, as well as 10 years and five months for another brother, Ikrar Sarisuluk ? almost three years in excess of the duration of the murder sentence. TURKISH AFFAIRS SECTION

http://www.moi.gov.cy/pio
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby B25 » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:57 pm

One seriously fuckup country
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:22 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Is this what the reasons really are bigOz, or something much much bigger than these people's reactions against building some stupid shopping mall?


A late reply I know, but I think the following picture of Istanbul helps to explain why a lot of people there get very emotional about preserving the few remaining scraps of green space:

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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:34 am

The latest news is that the autocratic AKP regime is planning once more to build a replica of an old Ottoman barracks on what is now Gezi park, even though this was so clearly shown in the protests of the summer of 2013 to be against the will of the majority of people in the city, so we may see a replay of these events. Apparently people stopped some construction equipment from being moved into the park yesterday evening.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:14 pm

Protestors are beginning to assemble in Gezi park.

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It is interesting to note that the Turkish state has recently placed an order for 55 million Turkish lira's worth of tear gas from Korea.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:20 am

A credible source has tipped off the organization about a planned export to Turkey of nearly 1.9 million tear gas cartridges and gas grenades. The first batch of riot control equipment is scheduled for delivery by a South Korean company to the Turkish government in mid-January 2015.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/south-ko ... 2014-12-15
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