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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby kurupetos » Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:37 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Pleased you got out OK, BigOz, and thanks for taking the time to post your experience.

I hope there's a happy ending.

For who? :wink:


It's time ....

Never forget - The Fall of Constantinople MAY 29th 1453 :wink:

We waited long enough.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Lit » Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:43 pm

Unbelievable response by the authorities. News showed police firing tear gas inside a starbucks where many tourists were congregating.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Demonax » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:05 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Chemical Erdogan may have been democratically elected but we're in to the area of Tyranny of the Majority, a consensus leader he clearly ain't.


Also recall Erdogan’s comment that "Democracy is like a train. We shall get out when we arrive at the station we want."

Democracy is just a means to an end for Erdogan and the AKP. They will not go easily.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Maximus » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:11 pm

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bill cobbett wrote:Chemical Erdogan may have been democratically elected but we're in to the area of Tyranny of the Majority, a consensus leader he clearly ain't.


Also recall Erdogan’s comment that "Democracy is like a train. We shall get out when we arrive at the station we want."

Democracy is just a means to an end for Erdogan and the AKP. They will not go easily.


Its as if they didn't know where they were going but the train has arrived at the station, now everyone has to get off.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Demonax » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:52 pm

BREAKING NEWS:

Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zohbi says Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is “terrorizing" his own people, calling on Erdogan to resign his post.

:lol: :lol:
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby bigOz » Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:46 am

First of all I wish to express to all who responded:
When the shit hits the fan in terms of Democracy, everyone seems to put aside old problems and hatred dished out in terms of nationalist or racist feelings and stand against Fascism and Dictatorship! I respect that and perhaps we can all learn something from it. I remember when the Greek police attacked the workers not so long ago, or some black guy was beaten to pulp by the American police - I shared their sadness!

As for the latest in Turkey, last night all TV stations flashed the news of how the government and the police gave in to hundreds of thousands of resilient people by PULLING OUT OF THE PARK AND DISAPPEARING FROM TAKSIM! Actors, singers, all civilians who supported the protests reappeared in their thousands both in the park and the square without a police in sight and stayed there until the early hours of the morning.

This morning the municipality was clearing all the debris and rubbish from the streets. Tayyib Erdoğan & Co are licking their wounds because only hours before the police moved out, Erdoğan was seen saying on all TV stations "the police were there yesterday, they are there today, and they will be there tomorrow..." :lol:

He also stated that they will build, if seemed fit, a shopping centre (AVM) in future. People in the park who brought down the steel fences around the park (I saw on Friday morning) are saying "No one will build anything on this park!". Erdoğan has also complained about the high court decision to stop the work in the park.

As someone suggested earlier, this was not all about a few trees and a shopping centre (it may well have started as a response to that), but it fast turned into a test of Democracy against Dictatorship. Something that has been brewing up inside many people. Police behaviour was the last straw that turned everyone against the Islamic Dictator Erdoğan and caused them to fill the streets in their thousands in every city & town.

People won a battle but will they win the war? I personally have serious doubts about that because Erdoğan still has good support from the religious sector of the population (especially in the East). The most important obstacle at this time is not having a strong opposition with a good leader who can be seen as an alternative! I know many GCs will hate me for saying this, but I wish there was another Bulent Ecevit! He was the Ghandi of Turkiye, very humble, non-corrupt (died a poor man), extremely well educated and cultured, and loved the working people. Right now, no one can expect much to happen with the likes of Kılıçdaroğlu (CHP) or the current leaders of BDP or the Nationalist Front parties.

Just heard on TV that the crowds have reduced in Taksim Square and things are fast returning back to normal with no sight of the special forces police. :D DEFINITELY A VICTORY OF THE PEOPLE AGAINST THOSE WHO DREAM OF A FASCIST RULE! :D
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Maximus » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:13 pm

Thank you for your coverage BigOz.

Do you now stand against political equality and those who dream of a fascist TC dictatorship rule in Cyprus?
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby bigOz » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:22 pm

Maximus wrote:Thank you for your coverage BigOz.

Do you now stand against political equality and those who dream of a fascist TC dictatorship rule in Cyprus?

I actively fought any fascist activity and any form of Dictatorship since the age of 17, when I went to London for my studies. As a socialist I was actually involved in the street fights in both Turkey and London against the right wing nationalist fanatics during the 70's.

But you must understand that my feelings are the same against all fascists and people who wish to impose their rule over the people by force. The nationality and the names are irrelevant, they can be leaders of EOKA-B, ELAM, Bozkurtlar, Nazis, Islamist extremists, N.F., Mussolini or some of the military generals of South American nations, Greece, Turkey, Africa etc. in the past.

As for TCs, I still say they have always had their fair share of non-democratic treatment, denial of political equality and human rights as well as freedom of trade & travel. Mainly, thanks to wrong politics pursued by our neighbours, who helped supporters of Erdoğan expand their policies into North Cyprus. I always said and reiterate that, if GCs accepted TCs as political and economical partners in Cyprus when they had the chance decades ago, and again during the latest Annan plan, things could have been quite different today! Because a joint Cypriot nation would have designed their history, social and cultural books not to teach hatred to their children, and draw a line over the hatred that has been kept alive by the propaganda of fascists on both sides!

Majority of Cypriots do not care if you are TC or GC, their families, well being and healthy economy would always come first - unless some shite-stirrer plants seeds of hatred and racist fanaticism to serve the purposes of a minority...
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Get Real! » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:23 pm

I’m sure everyone will look at the current events in Turkey in a different light. To Turkish citizens and perhaps TCs, it’ll be a step in the right direction towards more freedom but to us outsiders…. enemies of Turkey even, it’s the biggest cream pie in Erdogan’s face that he earned as a result of his two-year maniacal campaign to destroy Syria.

I don’t have the time to write about all the crimes he committed against a sovereign UN member here but the result is that he has become the laughing stock in the world and Turkey’s geopolitical position has been seriously compromised to all the opposition’s advantage.

So, a big thanks to Erdo for being the idiot he is.
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Re: I was There yesterday! (events in Istanbul)

Postby Maximus » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:54 pm

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As for TCs, I still say they have always had their fair share of non-democratic treatment, denial of political equality and human rights as well as freedom of trade & travel.


So what has been denied from the TC's? democracy like it was for the GC's or political equality? which the TC's had and which only they demand today? The TC's picked up their RoC passports with EU visa exception, recognised the world over in 2004? of the the back of the GC's. Thank them!

Mainly, thanks to wrong politics pursued by our neighbours, who helped supporters of Erdoğan expand their policies into North Cyprus. I always said and reiterate that, if GCs accepted TCs as political and economical partners in Cyprus when they had the chance decades ago, and again during the latest Annan plan, things could have been quite different today!


So its actually political equality you support, to deny the GC's their rights and democracy. You hypocrite, whats worse is that you blame the GC's for preferring a democracy without the TC's. You blame the GC's for not preferring a TC dictatorship and saying yes to the Annan plan. In the meantime, Erdogan is transferring Turkish nationals to become politically equal and dictate to the GC's and you blame them for this as well.

Because a joint Cypriot nation would have designed their history, social and cultural books not to teach hatred to their children, and draw a line over the hatred that has been kept alive by the propaganda of fascists on both sides!


Rubbish, I bet you wished you could throw journalists in jail, revise history to suit you, come down on freedom of expression, just like Erdogan.

Majority of Cypriots do not care if you are TC or GC, their families, well being and healthy economy would always come first - unless some shite-stirrer plants seeds of hatred and racist fanaticism to serve the purposes of a minority...


Political equality would lead to a 'spring' as we are witnessing in Turkey today and what was witnessed in Cyprus in the 60's, leading to the events of 1974. It seems as if you do not understand anything and do in fact support a fascist TC dictatorship in Cyprus.

Enjoy your 'spring' and try not to beat yourselves to a pulp.
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