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Re: The Official Erdogan the Clown Thread

Postby Maximus » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:07 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Horror thought! :shock:

Imagine if Erdogan had a veto in EU affairs!


It would destroy the EU in these early stages. Much like the veto the TCs had that destroyed Cyprus in its early stages.

Hang on, the only ones still wanting Turkey in the EU are the UK...


Yes, I have seen and heard enough from the Turks in general to know that things will lead to disaster.

The European union is treading a very dangerously path. I would rather Turkey remained out of the EU than being in it and have a veto.
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Re: The Official Erdogan the Clown Thread

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:09 pm

Give him credit, in less than a week, he's managed to sabotage these protests against his Islamic authoritarian brutality turning them into something resembling disgruntled Greenpeace-style protesters who will be happy with just an apology and a promise to be heard.

(Apology passed onto his assistant rather than do it himself, of course.)

Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc gives a press conference in Ankara in which he apologised on behalf of the government to protesters hurt in clashes with police during days of demonstrations and called for an immediate end to the protests. Arinc moved to calm tensions after days of street clashes that have left at least two people dead, saying the government had "learnt its lesson" from the disturbances.


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Re: The Official Erdogan the Clown Thread

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:51 pm

These riots are neither here nor there as far as we are concerned other than we hope the people get to overcome this Islamic menace!

BUT, I do not believe that this will be in the RoC's interests. It is better for us for Turkey to become even more Islamic and for the Erdog regime of Islamic fanatics to remain.

It is no coincidence that senior US officials have declared that it is time for the Cyprus Problem to be resolved. I believe and hope for positive developments in the near future.

The US are using the Gas finds as the catalyst to push things forward because Israel and Cyprus will be the most reliable suppliers of Energy to the EU.

The biggest threat to Erdog will be the Turkish Military. I have a feeling that at least some Turkish Officers will be scheming and planning their moves right now.

Let's hope Erdog survives and takes Turkey further away from Israel.
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Re: The Official Erdogan the Clown Thread

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:53 pm

I do wonder however why the RoC President isn't in Washington right now with the powerful Israeli lobby and meeting the US President about setting a timeline for Turkey's withdrawal from Cyprus! :?
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Re: The Official Erdogan the Clown Thread

Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:45 pm

Yes, firstly the protests and the violent crack-down on demonstrators continues, there's been no let up as a quick perusal of places like FB will show.

Secondly, no amount of regret by the Turkish Pres Gul and the Deputy PM and their belated and hard wrung apologies changes the appalling scenes that the world and we have witnessed.

Events which demonstrate (as if we didn't already know) so, so clearly the lack of rights to assembly, to free expression, to association and to a free press in Turkey... the cornerstones of our liberal democracies, democracies which ain't just about Chemical Erdy's def of democracy, the curious middle-eastern version... of just electing a leadership on election days and with no engagement with the citizenry in between elections.

... and as CY was brought in to things above, what does it all mean for CY...? Well directly and as ever, bugger all.

... but indirectly, it's potentially massive... there's been an exposure of the huge limits to democracy in Turkey, a massive blow to the position that Turkish democracy is in some way a model for the middle-east and prob Turkey's role as a claimed regional leader has been compromised... so much so that the all-important USA are saying things like...

... and this builds on the existing USA's perception of Erdy's "democracy" as being over-religious ...

(A White House spokesperson) ... "reiterated America's support for freedom of expression and assembly, describing the right to peaceful protest as "fundamental to any democracy."

... and a turkish analyst writing in USA Today writes...

(Erdogan has) "certainly lost a lot of credibility domestically in Turkey, even with AKP supporters and internationally," he said. "I think for the international community there's a very real understanding now just how authoritarian and egotistical he has become."

... and in another White House statement...

In a statement, spokeswoman Laura Lucas says the U.S. believes peaceful public demonstrations "are a part of democratic expression." And she says Turkey's long-term stability is best guaranteed by upholding "the fundamental freedoms of expression, assembly and association."

The White House statement in particular calls on security forces in Turkey to "exercise restraint."


In short, the indirect significance for CY is the world has seen another Turkish Peace Operation by the Turkish state... and what the Turkish state really thinks about the democratic and human rights most of us take for granted.
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Re: The Official Erdogan the Clown Thread

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:34 pm

Erdogan said Today

“The logic of ‘If I take this, I give this,’ ‘If you give this, I want this’ has no place in running a state,”

Ahem, Varosha and Cyprus......

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Re: The Official Erdogan the Clown Thread

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:26 pm

Continuing with his blind hypocrisy ...

"But we are definitely against the minority tyrannising the majority." Erdogan

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Re: The Official Erdogan the Clown Thread

Postby bill cobbett » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:36 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Continuing with his blind hypocrisy ...

"But we are definitely against the minority tyrannising the majority." Erdogan

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ju ... y-protests


What a Burke...!!!
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Re: The Official Erdogan the Clown Thread

Postby bill cobbett » Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:43 pm

A few sentences from a BBC report on a conference in Turkey where Mr Fule and Chemical Erdy spoke today...

Mr Fule said...

"Excessive use of force by police against these demonstrations has no place in such a democracy".

In response, Mr Erdogan accused the EU of double standards, saying police in Europe and the US used the similar methods.

"Similar protests have taken place in Britain, France, Germany and bigger ones in Greece," Mr Erdogan said.

His government was open to "democratic demands", he added, but would not accept "terrorism, violence and vandalism".

The Turkish leader also complained about the slow pace of the EU accession process, saying Turkey faced "unjust obstructions".

Human rights concerns have always been an important obstacle to Turkey's membership bid, along with the division of Cyprus and other issues.


The "Great Leader", Caliph Erdogan must be going out of his way to OutClown Bagis.

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Re: The Official Erdogan the Clown Thread

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:21 pm

Burning his bridges with his allies. :)


Erdoğan accuses EU members of hypocrisy over Turkey protests

Turkish PM says methods used by Turkish police to quell demonstrations are little different from those used in US and UK.


Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, at the EU-Turkey conference in Istanbul, hit back at EU criticism of his government's handling of a week of unrest.

Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has accused European Union member states of hypocrisy and double standards, and rejected criticism by Brussels of his crackdown on anti-government protesters whom he branded "vandals".

Erdoğan said the forceful methods used by Turkish riot police to quell protests against the demolition of an Istanbul park were little different from those used previously in the US and UK. He said that Turkey's democratic record was the best it had been in the country's history, and superior to that of many EU states.

Speaking at an EU-Turkey conference in Istanbul on Friday, a defiant Erdoğan shrugged off criticism of his environmental record and said that he planted lots of trees when he was the city's mayor. He again vowed to press ahead with controversial plans to redevelop Istanbul's Gezi Park and the adjoining Taksim Square, despite opposition from tens of thousands of protesters who have transformed the area into a colourful Glastonbury festival-style camp.

"Those who demand freedom and democracy should also act democratically," Erdoğan said. He renewed his attack on Twitter, which he previously dismissed as a "menace", and said social media had spread lies about what was really happening in Turkey. Erdoğan also suggested that the international media was complicit in writing "paid" articles hostile to his government. He said an advertisement in the New York Times decrying his government style was the work of lobbyists.

Three people have died, more than 4,000 injured, and 900 arrested.


Addressing Erdoğan earlier, a senior European Union official delivered a surprisingly frank dressing-down to Turkey's leader, who was sitting in the front row. Štefan Füle, the EU's enlargement commissioner, described the protests in Taksim Square as "legitimate" in a democratic society, and hinted that Turkey would only be allowed to join the EU if it truly embraced European values. He also criticised Turkey's pro-Erdoğan media, which initially censored the uprising. Füle said: "There should be freedom to report on what is happening as it is happening," he declared.

An unimpressed Erdoğan then stood up and offered his own counter-blast. He complained that the EU's record on media freedoms was also poor and cited Germany, which prohibited Turkish journalists from attending the trial of neo-Nazis who murdered eight Turks. He also lamented that talks on Turkey's accession to the EU had made no progress in the past three years – a "tragi-comical situation". He explicitly blamed France's former president Nicolas Sarkozy for the lack of progress and unfair obstacles shoved in Ankara's way by several EU players. Most of the European leaders in power a decade ago were no longer in power, he added, pointing out: "I'm the only one who is still around."

In his speech, Füle urged a "swift and transparent" investigation into the behaviour of riot police who used teargas and water cannons against peaceful demonstrators. He said: "The duty of all of us, European Union members as much as those countries that wish to become one, is to aspire to the highest possible democratic standards and practices.

"These include the freedom to express one's opinion, the freedom to assemble peacefully," he pointed out.



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