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Postby Kikapu » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:43 pm

Piratis wrote:
One can argue, since Greece broke it's obligations to protect the Cypriot Constitution and decided to take 100% of Cyprus, Turkey could also, break it's own obligation to protect the Cypriot Constitution, and they did.


So Kikapu, if somebody brakes the law and gives you a punch, then I have the right to also brake the law and start beating you up, chopping your legs and arms off? Great logic!

The coup was made by the Greek Junta which was not legitimate even in Greece. They tried to murder the president of Cyprus, who escaped and went to London declaring the coup as illegal demanding legality to return to Cyprus. Meanwhile Greek Cypriots were fighting against the coupists who had the support only of a small minority of extremists.

Turkey had plans for the partition of Cyprus since before the 50s. They even had maps showing the island divided.

The coup was just an EXCUSE and nothing more. Anybody that believes otherwise is voluntarily blind.


I'm only stating the chain of events to answer RichardB's argument regarding the 40% of land being occupied by Turkey, and not making a judgement on the occupation itself.

One can also look at the whole chain of events started by Greece and ended by Turkey as, " what's good for the Goose, it's good for the Gander". !!
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Postby zan » Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:35 pm

Piratis wrote:
One can argue, since Greece broke it's obligations to protect the Cypriot Constitution and decided to take 100% of Cyprus, Turkey could also, break it's own obligation to protect the Cypriot Constitution, and they did.


So Kikapu, if somebody brakes the law and gives you a punch, then I have the right to also brake the law and start beating you up, chopping your legs and arms off? Great logic!

The coup was made by the Greek Junta which was not legitimate even in Greece. They tried to murder the president of Cyprus, who escaped and went to London declaring the coup as illegal demanding legality to return to Cyprus. Meanwhile Greek Cypriots were fighting against the coupists who had the support only of a small minority of extremists.

Turkey had plans for the partition of Cyprus since before the 50s. They even had maps showing the island divided.

The coup was just an EXCUSE and nothing more. Anybody that believes otherwise is voluntarily blind.



No I think we should have just lined up and volunteered to be shot.....after handing over the deeds to our homes and land. :lol:



Human Rights Watch International Condemns Greece for Oppressing the Macedonians
Human Rights Watch / Helsinki

Denying Ethnic Identity - Macedonians of Greece, New York, 1994





The 80-page human rights violation report on Greece entitled "Denying Ethnic Identity - Macedonians of Greece" was published in May 1994. After visiting Aegean Macedonia, the Human Rights Watch/Helsinki concluded:

"Although ethnic Macedonians in northern Greece make up large minority with their own language and culture, their internationally recognized human rights and even their existence are vigorously denied by the Greek government. Free expression is restricted; several Macedonians have been persecuted and convicted for their peaceful expression of their views. Moreover, ethnic Macedonians are discriminated against by the government's failure to permit the teaching of the Macedonian language. And ethnic Macedonians, particularly rights activists, are harassed by the government - followed and threatened by the security forces - and subjected to economic and social pressure resulting from this harassment. All of these actions have led to a marked climate of fear in which a large number of ethnic Macedonians are reluctant to assert their Macedonian identity or to express their views openly. Ultimately, the government is pursuing every avenue to deny the Macedonians of Greece their ethnic identity."

The Helsinki Watch has, therefore, confirmed that the Macedonians indeed exist in Greece as a large minority. Helsinki Watch found the Greek government guilty for oppressing the Macedonian minority and demanded they be given their basic human rights to which they are entitled. Another human rights organization, Amnesty International, also urged the Greek government to respect the human rights of the ethnic Macedonians. The European Union has furthermore recognized the Macedonian language as one of the languages spoken within the EU borders. The Republic of Macedonia is not a member of the European Union, but Aegean Macedonia in Greece, is within those borders.
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:03 pm

You may also wish to research on the Chams who during WW2 were ethnically cleansed from their homeland and their lands and properties stolen by the state of Greece.

The exiled Muslim Cham Albanians have addressed the issue of their lost properties and requested permission to return to their villages Greece. So far, the Greek government has maintained that the Cham issue is closed. The National Political Association "Çamëria" (in Albanian: Shoqëria Politike Atdhetare "Çamëria"), a pressure group advocating the return of the Chams to Greece, receipt of compensation and greater freedom for the Orthodox Chams in Greece, was founded 10 January 1991.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chameria_issue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cham_Albanians
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4397470.stm
http://www.defac.ac.uk/colleges/csrc/do ... alkan/G109
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Postby Piratis » Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:59 pm

I see you are trying to change the topic. No wonder why.

If you want to compare your accusations against Greece with what Turks did, such as 1.5 million butchered Armenians, the genocide of Greeks of Asia Minor, the oppression of the Kurds, the atrocities in Cyprus, etc etc etc etc etc, then stat a new thread. You are more than welcome to. Nobody is an Angel, but the atrocities that the Turks committed in a year, can not be matched by anything that the Greeks would do in a century.
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:09 pm

Piratis wrote:...can not be matched by anything that the Greeks would do in a century.


What is done to the Bulgarians is indescribable; also to the Bulgarian peasants. It was a butchery. There is not a Bulgarian town or village but is burned.

We massacre all the Bulgarians who fall into our hands and burn the villages.

Of the 1,200 prisoners we took at Nigrita, only forty-one remain in the prisons, and everywhere we have been we have not left a single root of this race.

We picked out their eyes while they were still alive.

The Greek army sets fire to all the villages where there are Bulgarians and massacres all it meets. God knows where this will end.

From letters by Greek soldiers during the First Balkan War and their invasion of Slavic Macedonia.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:53 pm

bg_turk, you can talk as much propaganda as you want. Above you gave the number 1200. Compare that with the number 1500000 of the Armenian genocide alone. You can give as much propaganda as you want. The fact is what I said above: "Nobody is an Angel, but the atrocities that the Turks committed in a year, can not be matched by anything that the Greeks would do in a century."
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:03 pm

Piratis wrote:bg_turk, you can talk as much propaganda as you want. Above you gave the number 1200. Compare that with the number 1500000 of the Armenian genocide alone. You can give as much propaganda as you want. The fact is what I said above: "Nobody is an Angel, but the atrocities that the Turks committed in a year, can not be matched by anything that the Greeks would do in a century."


1,200 in one single village by one single garnison only. 300,000 Slavs were killed during the Greek agression in Macedonia by cold-blooded barbaric Greek murderers whose war like insticts were incited by posters such as the one below, which in the rest of the civilized world would be a source of shame.

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Postby zan » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:17 pm

Piratis wrote:I see you are trying to change the topic. No wonder why.

If you want to compare your accusations against Greece with what Turks did, such as 1.5 million butchered Armenians, the genocide of Greeks of Asia Minor, the oppression of the Kurds, the atrocities in Cyprus, etc etc etc etc etc, then stat a new thread. You are more than welcome to. Nobody is an Angel, but the atrocities that the Turks committed in a year, can not be matched by anything that the Greeks would do in a century.


I think that that is more because they WERE good diverting the blame to others. They are all Greek until crimes are committed then they are Turks or Bulgarians or EOKA B from the mainland or thugs from another school………………………………… :lol: :lol: You are so pathetic it is not true.
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Postby alexISS » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:26 pm

bg_turk wrote:1,200 in one single village by one single garnison only. 300,000 Slavs were killed during the Greek agression in Macedonia by cold-blooded barbaric Greek murderers whose war like insticts were incited by posters such as the one below, which in the rest of the civilized world would be a source of shame.


You can ask anyone in the world (except Turkey) which nation has the fame of a "butcher" and you will find Turkey at least in the top 3. Between Greeks and Turks, who do you think the world considers as "barbaric"? Your people are responsible for millions and millions of deaths, you of all people have no right to judge others as your forefathers were responsible for the countless deaths of innocent bulgarian children, all slaughtered in their homeland which you invaded, not in Turkey
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Postby Piratis » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:31 pm

bg_turk, I have many Bulgarian friends. Bulgarians like Greeks, same with Serbians, Russians and most other Slavs. Like us, they also have suffered under the barbarian Turks and this is why we will all be united soon under EU to face our common enemies.
So go preach your lame propaganda elsewhere.
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