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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby DT. » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:17 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:Turkey and EU should not even be mentioned in the same sentence. Even though I'm no great fan of the EU Turkey as it is now and the path it's taken should never be allowed into the EU.

Turkey has always been around 50 years behind from the rest of the developed countries, the lunatic Recep T Erdogan will take Turkey back to the stone ages by the time he is finished. All I can say is if the public are stupid enough to elect such an idiot to lead then they deserve no better. BASLARINA GELENI CEKSIN ELIN KOYUN SURUSU.

I pretty much agree with that except for the Turkish part I don’t get, but I also want to add that incessant posting about Turkey’s shortcomings by some, is getting tiresome.

There’s no point in us repeating the same things over and over when it’s pretty clear that…

1. It’s a Muslim country and thus incompatible with democracy. Well duh!

2. Their current government has a well known appalling foreign policy and it’s not likely to change until elections next year inshallah!

3. There are too many hurdles for Turkey to overcome making EU entry difficult if not impossible. Not that they’re missing out on much.

Very eloquently put my dear friend. The Turkish bit is a Turkish saying which roughly translates to "suffer as deserve you lousy herd of sheep"



Was saying that turkish phrase in greek a lot here in Cyprus over the past 5 years Mr-from-NG
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby MR-from-NG » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:25 pm

DT. wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:Turkey and EU should not even be mentioned in the same sentence. Even though I'm no great fan of the EU Turkey as it is now and the path it's taken should never be allowed into the EU.

Turkey has always been around 50 years behind from the rest of the developed countries, the lunatic Recep T Erdogan will take Turkey back to the stone ages by the time he is finished. All I can say is if the public are stupid enough to elect such an idiot to lead then they deserve no better. BASLARINA GELENI CEKSIN ELIN KOYUN SURUSU.

I pretty much agree with that except for the Turkish part I don’t get, but I also want to add that incessant posting about Turkey’s shortcomings by some, is getting tiresome.

There’s no point in us repeating the same things over and over when it’s pretty clear that…

1. It’s a Muslim country and thus incompatible with democracy. Well duh!

2. Their current government has a well known appalling foreign policy and it’s not likely to change until elections next year inshallah!

3. There are too many hurdles for Turkey to overcome making EU entry difficult if not impossible. Not that they’re missing out on much.

Very eloquently put my dear friend. The Turkish bit is a Turkish saying which roughly translates to "suffer as deserve you lousy herd of sheep"



Was saying that turkish phrase in greek a lot here in Cyprus over the past 5 years Mr-from-NG

There you have it my friend DT. So much in common, so much we share in our identities yet worlds apart. :?
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Maximus » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:18 pm

How can you (EU) trust someone (Turkey) who wants to pretend to be your partner?
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:35 pm

Quite an interesting article in the Famagusta Gazette....

Comment: "Sunrise" over Istanbul.

http://famagusta-gazette.com/comment-sunrise-over-istanbul-p19791-69.htm
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Demonax » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:48 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Quite an interesting article in the Famagusta Gazette....

Comment: "Sunrise" over Istanbul.

http://famagusta-gazette.com/comment-sunrise-over-istanbul-p19791-69.htm


Good article. He also seems to think that the pretence of Turkey's EU accession under Erdogan is all but over:

The EU's decision to open one more negotiating chapter with Turkey, but to postpone the opening until October, means that there is still a slender thread binding Turkey to the EU. But Prime Minister Erdoðan's response to the demonstrations could usher in a new era of intolerance and repression.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Maximus » Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:15 am

Demonax wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:Quite an interesting article in the Famagusta Gazette....

Comment: "Sunrise" over Istanbul.

http://famagusta-gazette.com/comment-sunrise-over-istanbul-p19791-69.htm


Good article. He also seems to think that the pretence of Turkey's EU accession under Erdogan is all but over:

The EU's decision to open one more negotiating chapter with Turkey, but to postpone the opening until October, means that there is still a slender thread binding Turkey to the EU. But Prime Minister Erdoðan's response to the demonstrations could usher in a new era of intolerance and repression.


thank you for posting that, and thanks to Mr Ellis for putting it together. It was a good read.

He made me laugh when he said that "By now, it must have dawned on even the most dim-witted European politician that there is a discrepancy between Turkey's rhetoric and performance"
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Maximus » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:06 am

German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said July 3 that Turkey should not join the European Union as it was not part of Europe, bluntly underlining Berlin's opposition to the long-running membership bid.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby B25 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:10 am

Maximus wrote:German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said July 3 that Turkey should not join the European Union as it was not part of Europe, bluntly underlining Berlin's opposition to the long-running membership bid.


Amen. Now remover the custom union, let us see just how powerful the Turks actually are. They have the benefits of trade with no restrictions or costs. EU wake up.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Maximus » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:38 pm

B25 wrote:
Maximus wrote:German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said July 3 that Turkey should not join the European Union as it was not part of Europe, bluntly underlining Berlin's opposition to the long-running membership bid.


Amen. Now remover the custom union, let us see just how powerful the Turks actually are. They have the benefits of trade with no restrictions or costs. EU wake up.


I have just done a bit of research and it seams that the customs union does not actually benefit Turkey but it economically kills her slowly and gives more power to the EU.

The results for Turkey are a trade deficit and loss of control.

Taken from Wikipedia;

Turkey's main exports to EU and imports from EU are dominantly industrial (95% of all its imports and exports).Foreign trade deficit of Turkey (between EU) has increased 2 fold and 6 fold with non-EU countries (the rest of the world), between 1995-2008. Turkey's industrial imports cannot compete with their European counterparts. There is also a vicious circle that the profits generated from imports are being used to buy raw materials and assembly parts again from Europe. This shows that Turkey is dependent on European raw materials and parts.

The customs union treaty was quite like the Capitulations of the Ottoman Empire. It was giving economical and political powers to a union (EU in this case) which the signing party (Turkey) was and still is not a member: Turkey, by accepting the customs union protocol, was giving the EU the power to manipulate the foreign relations of Turkey. Turkey was accepting all the treaties between EU and any non EU country (i.e all the other countries in the world) by precondition.

Turkey, by entering to the customs union, was accepting not to do any treaties with any non-EU country without the knowledge of EU. Otherwise, EU had the right to intervene and annul that treaty.

Turkey, by entering to the customs union, was unconditionally accepting to make laws which are parallel to the newer laws made for the customs union by EU.

Turkey, by entering to the customs union, was accepting to obey the all laws and decisions of European Court of Justice, where there is no single Turkish judge.

Turkey, by entering to the customs union, was opening its own market to European goods. The domestic goods of Turkey were in a great difficulty to compete against these due to a difference in quality. The European goods would flow into Turkey without any customs fee.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Demonax » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:19 pm

Right now I reckon Egypt has a better chance of EU accession than Turkey. :lol:
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