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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby B25 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:54 pm

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Lordo wrote:like i said they dont have to join, they can pull out anytime they like but they cannot be stopped if they wish to join so long as they complete the chapters. now even the worst dickheads should be able to understand except you of course. you are a special dickhead and i can d0o understand your predicament. i have come across many dickheads like you. the cell on the left cannot find the one right. keep taking the tablets it is good for you. perhaps doubling the dose maybe order as they are having no effect.


This does not sound right Lordo, please clarify.

Are you saying that the EU is locked in not matter how a candidate country acts and behaves? Is the EU obliged to continue the accession negotiations no matter what?

Are you saying that only Turkey has the right as a candidate country to terminate the accession negotiations?

where did i say no matter how terkey behaves. is your hatred towards terkey making you blind.

i will repeat.

terkey is locked in and will join so long as she completes the chapters. get it. not anyway she likes.

at the same time she may choose not join at the end because there is no gain only pain. now is that clear.


So why does she not just withdraw her application immediately? Turkey is not welcome to the EU, pure and simple.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Lordo » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:51 pm

they are not stupid. you dont know what it will be like in 10 years. it may suit them to join then. options is what its all about and besides it winds the hell out of the elmambuis and the rest of your reprobates so why not.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:12 pm

B25 wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Lordo wrote:like i said they dont have to join, they can pull out anytime they like but they cannot be stopped if they wish to join so long as they complete the chapters. now even the worst dickheads should be able to understand except you of course. you are a special dickhead and i can d0o understand your predicament. i have come across many dickheads like you. the cell on the left cannot find the one right. keep taking the tablets it is good for you. perhaps doubling the dose maybe order as they are having no effect.


This does not sound right Lordo, please clarify.

Are you saying that the EU is locked in not matter how a candidate country acts and behaves? Is the EU obliged to continue the accession negotiations no matter what?

Are you saying that only Turkey has the right as a candidate country to terminate the accession negotiations?

where did i say no matter how terkey behaves. is your hatred towards terkey making you blind.

i will repeat.

terkey is locked in and will join so long as she completes the chapters. get it. not anyway she likes.

at the same time she may choose not join at the end because there is no gain only pain. now is that clear.


So why does she not just withdraw her application immediately? Turkey is not welcome to the EU, pure and simple.


Because there are (were?) advantages for the Islamist regime governing Turkey to carry on with the pretence that it is genuinely pursuing EU accession. There are advantages for Western interests, as well, so everybody is happy to continue playing the game.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Maximus » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:53 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
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Lordo wrote:
Maximus wrote:
Lordo wrote:like i said they dont have to join, they can pull out anytime they like but they cannot be stopped if they wish to join so long as they complete the chapters. now even the worst dickheads should be able to understand except you of course. you are a special dickhead and i can d0o understand your predicament. i have come across many dickheads like you. the cell on the left cannot find the one right. keep taking the tablets it is good for you. perhaps doubling the dose maybe order as they are having no effect.


This does not sound right Lordo, please clarify.

Are you saying that the EU is locked in not matter how a candidate country acts and behaves? Is the EU obliged to continue the accession negotiations no matter what?

Are you saying that only Turkey has the right as a candidate country to terminate the accession negotiations?

where did i say no matter how terkey behaves. is your hatred towards terkey making you blind.

i will repeat.

terkey is locked in and will join so long as she completes the chapters. get it. not anyway she likes.

at the same time she may choose not join at the end because there is no gain only pain. now is that clear.


So why does she not just withdraw her application immediately? Turkey is not welcome to the EU, pure and simple.


Because there are (were?) advantages for the Islamist regime governing Turkey to carry on with the pretence that it is genuinely pursuing EU accession. There are advantages for Western interests, as well, so everybody is happy to continue playing the game.


This is the question. What do you think Tim. Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Oceanside50 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:42 pm

Lordo wrote:
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Lordo wrote:another dyslexic how many of you are there. where did i say they want to join.


Make your bloody mind up! You are telling us we can't stop them joining, but now you say we don't need to. I may be dyslexic, but you are just a dick.

like i said they dont have to join, they can pull out anytime they like but they cannot be stopped if they wish to join so long as they complete the chapters. now even the worst dickheads should be able to understand except you of course. you are a special dickhead and i can d0o understand your predicament. i have come across many dickheads like you. the cell on the left cannot find the one right. keep taking the tablets it is good for you. perhaps doubling the dose maybe order as they are having no effect.


The perception the west is trying to give Turkey is that she is trying to complete her European union chapters in order to join...Just saying that to Turks and others gives the impression that Turkey is a European bound nation. It doesnt matter that it will take teh Turks approximately 200 years to join...
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Demonax » Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:01 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Because there are (were?) advantages for the Islamist regime governing Turkey to carry on with the pretence that it is genuinely pursuing EU accession. There are advantages for Western interests, as well, so everybody is happy to continue playing the game.


Only the game has now been blown apart. The EU can no longer go on pretending that Turkey is a model example of a secular and democratic country. While the AKP cannot go on pretending it is Western, reformist, neo-liberal and secular. Its policies have been exposed as authoritarian and Islamist. It's now much harder for Erdogan and Davutoglu to hide their real intention which is to revive Turkey as the neo-Ottoman leader of a new Islamic world order.

All these shams have now been exposed for what they are. I cannot see how Turkey can proceed with its EU accession while Erdogan and Davutoglu are in power and everyone pretends that nothing has changed.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:56 am

Maximus wrote:This is the question. What do you think Tim. Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?


Far from it. The people demonstrating are from the educated, secular middle classes of the large cities - precisely the constituency that most strongly favours EU accession. If these people can now make their voices heard more strongly, EU accession may be seriously back on the agenda. If a popular rebellion actually manages to oust the Islamist regime and put the Republic back firmly on a secular, pro-Western setting, then EU accession within a couple of decades will start to look probable, I would suggest. I think a lot is going to be determined in the next few days. Erdoğan returns from Africa today and a great deal will depend on how he now plays things.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:35 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Maximus wrote:This is the question. What do you think Tim. Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?


Far from it. The people demonstrating are from the educated, secular middle classes of the large cities - precisely the constituency that most strongly favours EU accession. If these people can now make their voices heard more strongly, EU accession may be seriously back on the agenda. If a popular rebellion actually manages to oust the Islamist regime and put the Republic back firmly on a secular, pro-Western setting, then EU accession within a couple of decades will start to look probable, I would suggest. I think a lot is going to be determined in the next few days. Erdoğan returns from Africa today and a great deal will depend on how he now plays things.


Nice post.

Public opinion in Turkey is certainly split.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:46 am

Demonax wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Because there are (were?) advantages for the Islamist regime governing Turkey to carry on with the pretence that it is genuinely pursuing EU accession. There are advantages for Western interests, as well, so everybody is happy to continue playing the game.


Only the game has now been blown apart. The EU can no longer go on pretending that Turkey is a model example of a secular and democratic country. While the AKP cannot go on pretending it is Western, reformist, neo-liberal and secular. Its policies have been exposed as authoritarian and Islamist. It's now much harder for Erdogan and Davutoglu to hide their real intention which is to revive Turkey as the neo-Ottoman leader of a new Islamic world order.

All these shams have now been exposed for what they are. I cannot see how Turkey can proceed with its EU accession while Erdogan and Davutoglu are in power and everyone pretends that nothing has changed.


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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby B25 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:09 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Maximus wrote:This is the question. What do you think Tim. Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?


Far from it. The people demonstrating are from the educated, secular middle classes of the large cities - precisely the constituency that most strongly favours EU accession. If these people can now make their voices heard more strongly, EU accession may be seriously back on the agenda. If a popular rebellion actually manages to oust the Islamist regime and put the Republic back firmly on a secular, pro-Western setting, then EU accession within a couple of decades will start to look probable, I would suggest. I think a lot is going to be determined in the next few days. Erdoğan returns from Africa today and a great deal will depend on how he now plays things.


You are forgetting the 50% Erdogan or the Islamist supporters.

Once these come out onto the streets, that's when we will see who will prevail. I don't see Turkey in the EU any time soon if at all.
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