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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Kikapu » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:56 pm

Lordo wrote:where is the bit about withdrawing from cyprus and taking her troops out. where is it, have i missed it.


One step at a time, Lordo. Don't be in such a hurry. :wink:

The moment Turkey complies with the "Ankara Protocol" and recognition of the RoC, then will come the argument by the EU of Turkey occupying a sovereign country it recognises, hence then will be pressured to withdraw her troops from the island, or else no continuation on the EU accession........again!
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Demonax » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:03 pm

Germany gets its way: Restart of accession talks with Turkey postponed until October. A lot now resting on October EU Commission Report...

The restart of EU-Turkey accession talks has been postponed from Wednesday (26 June) until at least October following a German request.

EU foreign ministers agreed the step at a General Affairs Council (GAC) in Luxembourg on Tuesday.

According to an EU source, the text of the formal conclusions says: "The Council agrees to open Chapter 22 and underscores that the IGC [intergovernmental conference] with Turkey will take place after the presentation of the commission's annual progress report and following a discussion of the GAC which will confirm the common position of the Council for the opening of Chapter 22 and determine the date for the accession conference."

The decision amounts to a "political assent" to open the new chapter, on regional development.

The European Commission is to file its progress report on Turkey's EU reform credentials in October.

But the GAC text underlines that the talks might not take place if the commission gives Turkey bad marks.


http://euobserver.com/foreign/120635
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:40 pm

Demonax wrote:Germany gets its way: Restart of accession talks with Turkey postponed until October. A lot now resting on October EU Commission Report...

The restart of EU-Turkey accession talks has been postponed from Wednesday (26 June) until at least October following a German request.

EU foreign ministers agreed the step at a General Affairs Council (GAC) in Luxembourg on Tuesday.

According to an EU source, the text of the formal conclusions says: "The Council agrees to open Chapter 22 and underscores that the IGC [intergovernmental conference] with Turkey will take place after the presentation of the commission's annual progress report and following a discussion of the GAC which will confirm the common position of the Council for the opening of Chapter 22 and determine the date for the accession conference."

The decision amounts to a "political assent" to open the new chapter, on regional development.

The European Commission is to file its progress report on Turkey's EU reform credentials in October.

But the GAC text underlines that the talks might not take place if the commission gives Turkey bad marks.


http://euobserver.com/foreign/120635


Givens Turkey's past experience with her clumsy politicians, Turkey has as much chance for not getting bad marks from the EU as one expects to find a virgin in a whorehouse! :wink:
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Maximus » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:31 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Demonax wrote:Germany gets its way: Restart of accession talks with Turkey postponed until October. A lot now resting on October EU Commission Report...

The restart of EU-Turkey accession talks has been postponed from Wednesday (26 June) until at least October following a German request.

EU foreign ministers agreed the step at a General Affairs Council (GAC) in Luxembourg on Tuesday.

According to an EU source, the text of the formal conclusions says: "The Council agrees to open Chapter 22 and underscores that the IGC [intergovernmental conference] with Turkey will take place after the presentation of the commission's annual progress report and following a discussion of the GAC which will confirm the common position of the Council for the opening of Chapter 22 and determine the date for the accession conference."

The decision amounts to a "political assent" to open the new chapter, on regional development.

The European Commission is to file its progress report on Turkey's EU reform credentials in October.

But the GAC text underlines that the talks might not take place if the commission gives Turkey bad marks.


http://euobserver.com/foreign/120635


Givens Turkey's past experience with her clumsy politicians, Turkey has as much chance for not getting bad marks from the EU as one expects to find a virgin in a whorehouse! :wink:


Turkey has not even implemented the Ankara protocol or the Copenhagen criteria to start the negotiations. So, Turkey will get another bad report from the EU commission and the chapter will most likely remain shut.

I think this decision 'to postpone' opening the chapter is as good as a decision to end the accession negotiations but without the EU actually taking that decision.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:44 pm

The reports are that chapter 22 is to be opened.....what news are you people reading?
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Maximus » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:50 pm

Viewpoint wrote:The reports are that chapter 22 is to be opened.....what news are you people reading?


It says that they will open the chapter but if the EU commission files a bad report (which is practically guaranteed) then it might not take place.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:06 pm

Maximus wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:The reports are that chapter 22 is to be opened.....what news are you people reading?


It says that they will open the chapter but if the EU commission files a bad report (which is practically guaranteed) then it might not take place.


"might" being the operative word only weeks ago the talk was (GCs) Turkey opening chapters was totally unthinkable now theres a maybe something is going on, I thinks theres more to what they are letting on especially after Erdoğans reactions to the EU parliament ruling on the riots in Turkey.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Demonax » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:15 pm

Viewpoint wrote:The reports are that chapter 22 is to be opened.....what news are you people reading?


Chapter 22 has not been opened as it was supposed to this month. Turkey has been put on probation for four months until Turkey's EU progress report in October. Then there will need to be a unanimous agreement amongst EU member states to open the one chapter. Merkel has also said that implementing the Ankara Protocol is the main barrier to opening any further chapters.

In other words Turkey's EU accession has been suspended for four months and a decision on lifting this suspension on one chapter will be made in October. It's the absolute minimum without ending Turkey's accession altogether.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Maximus » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:28 pm

Demonax wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:The reports are that chapter 22 is to be opened.....what news are you people reading?


Chapter 22 has not been opened as it was supposed to this month. Turkey has been put on probation for four months until Turkey's EU progress report in October. Then there will need to be a unanimous agreement amongst EU member states to open the one chapter. Merkel has also said that implementing the Ankara Protocol is the main barrier to opening any further chapters.

In other words Turkey's EU accession has been suspended for four months and a decision on lifting this suspension on one chapter will be made in October. It's the absolute minimum without ending Turkey's accession altogether.


The situation in Turkey can deteriorate a whole lot more in the meantime.
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Re: Is this the end of Turkey's EU accession negotiations?

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:30 pm

Demonax wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:The reports are that chapter 22 is to be opened.....what news are you people reading?


Chapter 22 has not been opened as it was supposed to this month. Turkey has been put on probation for four months until Turkey's EU progress report in October. Then there will need to be a unanimous agreement amongst EU member states to open the one chapter. Merkel has also said that implementing the Ankara Protocol is the main barrier to opening any further chapters.

In other words Turkey's EU accession has been suspended for four months and a decision on lifting this suspension on one chapter will be made in October. It's the absolute minimum without ending Turkey's accession altogether.


It's going to be very hard for Erdogan and Bagis to try and be civil to the EU for the next for months, or their butts will be further spanked. Basically, Merkel has sent Turkey on a EU accessions version of "mission impossible" for these loud mouth street fighting politicians in Turkey to act somewhat decent and responsible towards the EU as well as keeping their commitment towards their EU membership accession and act civil towards the protesters in Turkey. It's a tall order for these Sultan wannabee Islamists dressed as 21st century democrats who believe that democracy is only good until to the next bus stop, and then it's time to get of the Democracy bus.
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