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Postby insan » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:02 pm

which combined have 1/4th your population to have equal political rights as well.


When combined eh? Combined minority state of Cyprus! Hahahahahaha!

Try harder, think deeper and come again with a stronger argument Piratis....

And you expect TCs to give support your funny ideas... You wait TCs to take side with you and struggle against Turkey... For what? Becoming a minority in their own land in the end?


Frankly speaking to you %99 of them would prefer to live in a pseudo state mixed with settlers, forever instead of becoming a minority in their own land and to be exposed to oppressions of GC extremists...


Moreover instead of helping you to make TCs a minority in their own land, they would prefer to flee other countries to live a life free from opressions of GC extremists and leave the Cyprus problem to Turkey and TC extremists...
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Postby Piratis » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:03 pm

I am just going to quote what MicAtCyp wrote in another thread:

While a lot of discussion goes on here about equality, don't be mistaken of what the TC leadership means by this term.An extract from Cuco Report on the matter of settlers.

Turkey had, however, come up with a further claim recently, that of the political equality of both communities, which would lead to the creation of two states in Cyprus with a clearly defined border. The Cypriot Government rejected this approach, as Cyprus was a single country consisting of two communities, within which citizens were on an equal footing. Any solution which sanctioned a separation of the two communities would be a sort of apartheid and a glaring infringement of human rights. It ought not to be forgotten that Turkey had installed Turkish settlers in the northern part of the island, to whom it had given property belonging to Greek Cypriots, in flagrant violation of the 4th Geneva Convention. The Cypriot Government had plenty of information about this colonisation.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:17 pm

Frankly speaking to you %99 of them would prefer to live in a pseudo state mixed with settlers, forever instead of becoming a minority in their own land and to be exposed to oppressions of GC extremists...

They can continue to live in the pseudo state as long as this option is available to them. If what you want is to damage us and damage yourselves 10 times as much, then indeed this is the right thing you should do.

You could live in a democratic european country, with a state of your own, and with full human rights protection. Instead of that you prefer to live in a pseudo puppet state. Erolz said that he is not having any children, but the rest of you should think again if what you are doing is correct. You already gained more than any other minority in the world. Just grab it, and stop asking for more and more and more. That my advice.
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Postby insan » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:12 am

Thanx for your advice Piratis, but can't help... Most of the TCs have already left Cyprus and live abroad(mainly EU countries) for more than 50-40 years... Some 30-20-10 or 5 years... As I said they have full real human rights where they have been living free from extremeist GCs opression and fears of being systematically obliged to leave Cyprus by use of some "democratic" methods a.k.a Akritas Plan.


Solve your problem with TC extremists and Turkey a country which is 100 times larger than Cyprus, have an army 80 times bigger than National Guard, is an number one ally of Nato, have 1000 times more amount of commercial relations than Cyprus; with most of the EU countries... You dream to weaken her to get the whole Cyprus


Keep dreaming then? I wish you satisfactory colorful dreams...
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Postby Piratis » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:58 am

You dream to weaken her to get the whole Cyprus


First of all, all I am saying is that the whole Cyprus should belong to all Cypriots. What can be better than that when you add democracy and full human rights for everybody?

You are stuck in the past and you are seeing ghosts. Cyprus now is a small EU country that even if we wanted we wouldn't dare to brake any of the very strict EU laws that will guarantee that the violence of the past is just that: past!

What is unfortunate, is that TCs that truly want a solution (like Insan for example) fall in the trap of the Turkish propaganda that told them that they are not a minority, they are "peoples", etc and now it is impossible to agree on anything.

I really hope you will get over this "minority complex" that the Turkish propaganda created in you, and realize that you are indeed a minority which is nothing bad when we will all be in the EU with the 100% of human and minority rights protected.
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Postby insan » Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:00 am

What is unfortunate, is that TCs that truly want a solution (like Insan for example) fall in the trap of the Turkish propaganda that told them that they are not a minority, they are "peoples", etc and now it is impossible to agree on anything.

I really hope you will get over this "minority complex" that the Turkish propaganda created in you, and realize that you are indeed a minority which is nothing bad when we will all be in the EU with the 100% of human and minority rights protected.



Piratis,

I'm not an illiterate man or a teenager/child to follow the propaganda of any groups... Even in the 60s constitution TCs hadn't been defined as a minority.


Minorities of Cyprus


The question of minority rights in the island, narrowly defined, concerns only the three smaller recognized communities, which, under the 1960 constitutional agreement, had to decide whether to be classified as Greeks or Turks; all lined up with the Christian Greeks rather than the Muslim Turks.


Maronites are the largest of the three minorities, numbering c. 5,000. Before 1974 most lived in four villages in the north. After 1974, 2,000 chose to remain in the Turkish-occupied area; their number has been reduced to 170, whose average age is 68. It has been made virtually impossible for them to bequeath property to the next generation, and permission to cross the ceasefire line is periodically interrupted. The UN visits the villages with supplies of food and medicine, but the Turkish Cypriots have refused a permanent UN presence. The Maronites' main grievance is to have been acknowledged as a religious group, but not as a minority.


Armenians numbered 20,000 after the First World War, but these were mainly in transit. In the 1970s there was a recruitment drive for migration to Soviet Armenia. Sixty families have since returned to Cyprus and been given back Cypriot nationality. In 1963 Armenians living in the Turkish part of Nicosia were forced to move to the south. The Government gave them land to build churches and schools. Many find prospects limited in Cyprus and tend to seek business opportunities abroad. There is considerable intermarriage with Greek Cypriots.


Latins are the smallest of the three communities, claiming 2,000 members. They are Roman Catholics of different national origins including some Latin Americans, who have settled in Cyprus during the past century. Their social and cultural life revolves around their churches.



http://www.minorityrights.org/Profiles/ ... .asp?ID=14


I think you are the one who fell in trap of GC propaganda and believe TCs is a minority...
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Postby Piratis » Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:31 pm

The question of minority rights in the island, narrowly defined, concerns only the three smaller recognized communities


Ok, first of all in this same phrase you can see that they use the word "minority" and the word "community" for the same people. This shows that being one does not exclude being the other one.

What they mean here is that Turkish Cypriots got so many super privileges, that those privileges could not be defined as simple minority rights.

Also from the same page:

Approximately one-fifth of Cyprus's population became culturally and linguistically Turkish. The Turkish population contends that it is not a minority but a separate and equal community.


If this article claimed that Turkish Cypriots are not a minority, then the words in bold above would have been absent.
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Postby insan » Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:22 pm

Although Cyprus lies close to the Turkish coast, its majority population has been Greek by language and culture for more than 3,000 years. Following the Ottoman capture of the island in the sixteenth century, Turks settled there and some Greek-speakers converted to Islam. Approximately one-fifth of Cyprus's population became culturally and linguistically Turkish. The Turkish population contends that it is not a minority but a separate and equal community. For centuries, most Greek and Turkish Cypriots had been able to live peacefully alongside members of the opposite community.



If you've taken the paragraph as a whole you would understand that it refers to pre 1960; 30s and 40s when the first GC riots for Enosis had taken place...


Then the article continues with ww2...
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