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I try to do my bit. Well done Lysi, we need people like you to give GC a reality check.

[Nikiforos]

APATHY is rampant in the Greek-American community here in America. THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN DESTROYING THE UNITY OF GREEKS IN AMERICA AND ELSEWHERE IS INTERMARRIAGE WITH NON-GREEKS AND NON-CHRISTIAN ORTHODOX.

The strongest ethno-religious influences driving American foreign policy are ANGLO-PROTESTANT and JEWISH. THESE GROUPS ARE MOST FERVENTLY ANTI-GREEK/ANTI-CHRISTIAN ORTHODOX. Their interest is in maintaining a strong Israel AT WHATEVER COST. The GCs are an impediment to their goal of fostering even stronger ties between Turkey and Israel.

IF GCs and Greeks want to change the equation, A GOOD PLACE TO START IS TO GET OUT OF THE PANTS OF THE BRITISH AND AMERICANS.

[Svetlana]

Hi nikiforos

You have the advanatge of me that I do not live in the US, but are you sure you are not being paranoid, Do you genuinely believe there are powerful lobbies out to 'get the Greeks'? Do you think it matters to anyone much? As far as US citizens are concerned, I don't suppose most would have a clue where Greece is; it is just not on their radar.

Also, I do not see that 'pro-Jewish' is 'anti-Greek' Please tell me how GCs stand in the way of the US getting closer to Israel?

Lana

[cypezokyli]

my god, i used to laugh about this greekorthodox purity preservation but i guess it is time to start worrying about this phenomenon. sometimes though its the jews fault sometimes is islam... u should start coordinating your views and inform the rest ignorant us, who is the real enemy.

didnt u notice the increasing numbers of cypriots marrying foreeigners in cyprus as well? we should respond immidiately bc our race is in grave danger of loosing its purity
watch it a little bit bc i would assume that we have members in the forum who come from such marriages.

second i do believe that living abroad makes a huge difference on how one views things. not to mention that even a second generation "pure" greek grown in germany would have difficulties adapting in greece today.

not to mention nikos dimou old statement the greekorthodoxy (which we try to preserve) are two different meanings punching each other when forced in one word. in other words we should choose, either preserve our helenism or our christianity.

ofcource apathy is a problem. one can also see it in our everyday policies. the country where noone is sacked out of office bc they know... why should we? as if anyone cares.
BUT when it comes to group interests our apathy dissapears and we are all united to take fom the goverment.

[lysi]

I ASK ALL GREEK CYPRIOTS IN THE UK WILL ANY OF YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO CONFRONT, PHONE OR EMAIL THOSE UK BASED ESTATE AGENTS WHO ARE SELLING STOLEN GREEK CYPRIOT LAND AND PROPERTY AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE ILLEGAL EXPLOITATION OF GREEK LAND ?

OR ARE YOU ALL MOUTH AND NO ACTION ?

[bg_turk]

I ASK ALL GREEK CYPRIOTS IN THE UK WILL ANY OF YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO CONFRONT, PHONE OR EMAIL THOSE UK BASED ESTATE AGENTS WHO ARE SELLING STOLEN GREEK CYPRIOT LAND AND PROPERTY AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE ILLEGAL EXPLOITATION OF GREEK LAND ?

OR ARE YOU ALL MOUTH AND NO ACTION ?

You think you are the only one who can campaign? If these adverts get banned we are going to sue the ass off whatever organization bans them. I am not going to let people like you impose economic hardships on the TC community, and keep them in isolation under the pretext that you want to return to your properties, while your own president does everything in his power to prevent a solution.
If you want your properties back, you can start by calling or writing to your own president to sit back on his ass and to work towards a solution.
Your usual rhetoric about stolen property does not work anymore when your own government insists on keeping the stolen properties of TCs.

PS. it is considered impolite to write in capital letters

[lysi]

bg-turk, YOU AND YOUR OCCUPATION PALS MAKE A LOT OF MONEY FROM THE GREEK LAND THAT YOU STOLE, THATS WHY YOU DONT WANT TO HAND IT BACK.
ALSO WHY DOES NO COUNTRY EXCEPT YOUR PAYMASTER TURKEY RECONISE THE NORTH ?

ANSWER THAT WISE ONE.

PS , GIVE US ARE LAND BACK.
NICE BIG CAPITAL LETTERS FOR YOU BG-TURK

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You think you are the only one who can campaign? If these adverts get banned we are going to sue the ass off whatever organization bans them. I am not going to let people like you impose economic hardships on the TC community, and keep them in isolation under the pretext that you want to return to your properties, while your own president does everything in his power to prevent a solution.
If you want your properties back, you can start by calling or writing to your own president to sit back on his ass and to work towards a solution.
Your usual rhetoric about stolen property does not work anymore when your own government insists on keeping the stolen properties of TCs.

PS. it is considered impolite to write in capital letters

Sue on what grounds? How is the banning the promotion of something that is deemed illegal by various statues of law...illegal in itself? how can you say we are imposing 'economic isolation' on TC, when infact its economic isolation on the psuedo-state and the illegal settlers it has brought in. You just want more GC human rights violated....and how is the goverment keeping the stolen properties of TC!? what a laod of crap. RoC still recognises official title deeds of TC, unlike what 'TRNC' has done with GC and issued totally defunked title deeds to the settlers it brought over. The only thing RoC wants to do is stop TC from claiming there own land back if they demand to keep living in the 'TRNC'. TC CAN claim there own land back if they become citizens in the legal part of Cyprus.

[Nikiforos]

Please tell me how GCs stand in the way of the US getting closer to Israel?

Hi Lana,

The GCs do not stand between the US and Israel getting closer. That is not what my statement says. The nonresolution of the Cyprus conflict hinders to some degree the aim of the US to bring Turkey and Israel closer together in a stronger regional military alliance. US foreign policy features Turkey as a "civilized," pro-Western model Muslim nation. If only the Greeks, GCs, and Armenians would stop pointing out Turkey's obvious flaws. Israel, of course, loves every Muslim nation (especially Turkey) EXCEPT for the Palestinian nation.

The architects of American foreign policy in the Bush administration have been the "neocons" (neoconservatives.) Almost all of them are Jews. Paul Wolfowitz (current head of the World Bank), Douglas Feith, and I.(Irving) Lewis Libby (Leibowitz) are chief among them. All served in the Bush administration in either the Department of State or the Department of Defense. A New York Times Magazine article in 2002 reported that Wolfowitz had often been accused as having an Israel-centric focus. Libby is currently under federal indictment, accused of blowing the cover of a CIA agent whose husband opposed the Bush administration in its Iraq policy.

These neocons and others planned and encouraged the American attack on Iraq. It should be obvious that the country which has benefitted the most by the removal of Sadam Hussein is Israel--NOT the United States.

Jews in the Clinton administration also had an inordinate amount of influence on American foreign policy. These included Richard Holbrooke, Secretary of State Madeline Albright (a closet Jew who discovered she was 100% Jewish when she was well into her 50's), and National Security Adviser Sandy Berger (another criminal who was arrested for stealing classified documents by hiding them in his socks.) Albert (?) Moses, another prominent Jew, was Clinton's special coordinator on Cyprus for a time.

For a people who claim to be less than 3% of the US population, the Jews have had an unusually large and damaging effect on US foreign policy. This is not paranoia, but reality.

[Nikiforos]

Do you genuinely believe there are powerful lobbies out to 'get the Greeks'? Do you think it matters to anyone much? As far as US citizens are concerned, I don't suppose most would have a clue where Greece is; it is just not on their radar.Lana

Lana, powerful lobbies unfortunately DO matter very much in the US. AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) has worked very hard on behalf of Turkey, most recently opposing Americans of Armenian descent who seek to have the US Congress go on record as recognizing the Armenian Genocide. The Turks have paid millions of dollars to former Congressman Robert Livingston's lobbying group to support Turkey's positions to the American government. You see, it does matter to some, especially America's Jews. Perhaps they see Turkey as Israel's salvation in the Middle East. The Jews have a long history of collaborating with the Ottoman Turks. Just a few years ago, 2 Israeli Mossad agents were arrested in Cyprus on spying charges.