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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:55 pm

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bill cobbett wrote:Surely the big problems in CY are the "kommata" and "meson" systems...??


Those are big problems everywhere. It's human nature, I'm afraid, to look after your kin first, party-faithful or use old school "ties that bind". I've had many situations in the UK where, because of friendships or a common shared experience, I have been given preferential treatment. It's also easier to flatter British people and easier to buy their 'loyalty' with a little surprise gift (Greeks are cynical this way and insist on giving you one back, lol).

Unfortunately, because of the extended family culture of Cyprus, this is going to be another stereotype that is going to be exaggerated with which to beat us. I would put it into perspective if I were you.

We ( ALL ) just need to keep moving in the direction of an egalitarian society.


Cyprus has a long way to go and I can tell you quite a few stories.

Cyprus is far behind countries like Australia and US in terms of transparency, but it is a small island which is conducive to the old boys type mentality.

Britain has always been that way as well, as opposed to the newer former colonies mentioned.

Greece has been even less transparent than Cyprus. Everyone could see it.
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:09 pm

Demonax wrote:Guess what? From the same survey...

Corruption in the UK is increasing, according to the world's largest public opinion survey.
Transparency International said a tally of respondent views indicated the perception of media corruption increased significantly since the publication of its 2010 survey, when less than 40% believed the sector had a corruption problem.

The UKI results also show a crisis of trust in politics, with only 1% of interviewees believing the UK political system free of problems.

Of the people surveyed, 67% viewed political parties as being affected by corruption, and 55% believed parliament had a corruption problem.

A staggering 90% of the UK survey said that the UK Government is run by a few big entities acting in their own interest.

Of the 91% who would be willing to report corruption, 40% would want to make that report to a Government hotline - which currently does not exist.

Some 62% of people also thought that the Government’s actions are ineffective in tackling corruption.


http://news.sky.com/story/1113324/corru ... -uk-report

How the hell did you not mention this, supporttheunderdog?



Because this is a Cyprus forum and that was a Cyprus news item and here is where I live 24*7.
Britain came in at 17 with a sore of 74 compared to Cyprus at 29 with a score of 66. That suggests the problem is a tad more serious here than in the UK. However if you want to discuss corruption in the UK join a UK forum.

In the meantime perhaps the Enosis loving pseudo Greek wannabes should have a look at the figures for their so called mother country, 94th most corrupt with a score of only 36. Don't bother calling me anti Greek. Other racists chose to bring in foreign countries eg the UK in the hope of having a pop at GB. Pots and kettles where others are a lot lot dirtier.

Now how do we clean up the issue in Cyprus? That is what we should worry about, not elsewhere.
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:19 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
Demonax wrote:Guess what? From the same survey...

Corruption in the UK is increasing, according to the world's largest public opinion survey.
Transparency International said a tally of respondent views indicated the perception of media corruption increased significantly since the publication of its 2010 survey, when less than 40% believed the sector had a corruption problem.

The UKI results also show a crisis of trust in politics, with only 1% of interviewees believing the UK political system free of problems.

Of the people surveyed, 67% viewed political parties as being affected by corruption, and 55% believed parliament had a corruption problem.

A staggering 90% of the UK survey said that the UK Government is run by a few big entities acting in their own interest.

Of the 91% who would be willing to report corruption, 40% would want to make that report to a Government hotline - which currently does not exist.

Some 62% of people also thought that the Government’s actions are ineffective in tackling corruption.


http://news.sky.com/story/1113324/corru ... -uk-report

How the hell did you not mention this, supporttheunderdog?

Because this is a Cyprus forum and that was a Cyprus news item and here is where I live 24*7.
Britain came in at 17 with a sore of 74 compared to Cyprus at 29 with a score of 66. That suggests the problem is a tad more serious here than in the UK. However if you want to discuss corruption in the UK join a UK forum.


Actually, I think the UK must have a more serious problem because Cyprus is a VERY small island with a small population of less than 1 million. Ideal conditions for more nepotism, but the UK does not have that excuse.
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby Oceanside50 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:35 pm

Since Cyprus is an occupied country each form of corruption counts as 10. Therefore Cyprus is the most corrupt country on
Earth....anyone disagree?
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby Demonax » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:51 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:


Because this is a Cyprus forum and that was a Cyprus news item and here is where I live 24*7.
Britain came in at 17 with a sore of 74 compared to Cyprus at 29 with a score of 66. That suggests the problem is a tad more serious here than in the UK. However if you want to discuss corruption in the UK join a UK forum.

In the meantime perhaps the Enosis loving pseudo Greek wannabes should have a look at the figures for their so called mother country, 94th most corrupt with a score of only 36. Don't bother calling me anti Greek. Other racists chose to bring in foreign countries eg the UK in the hope of having a pop at GB. Pots and kettles where others are a lot lot dirtier.

Now how do we clean up the issue in Cyprus? That is what we should worry about, not elsewhere.


Poor response, STUD. The report is about 'perceptions' of corruption which have increased throughout Europe and which is unsurprising given the current economic and financial turmoil. No country is free from an increased perception of corruption. UK politics for example has 99 per cent of people believing it is corrupt! Not surprising given the continual political and financial scandals in the UK press.

Overall, on the last survey published a few months ago, Cyprus is relatively modest in levels of actual corruption. Which is amazing given the small size of the place and the fact that most people know each other. 29th cleanest nation on the planet is hardly sign of a place that is seething in corruption. Could do better. But let's not get carried away here.

Cyprus's recent predicament is down to greed and complacency. The same greed and complacency you find throughout Europe and which brought the European financial system to its knees. And that includes the French, Dutch, German, UK and US banks which engaged in dubious practices.

Cleaning up the European financial system with its endemic culture of greed, complacency and recklessness is on another scale compared to the small problem of corruption in tiny Cyprus.
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby Oceanside50 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:12 pm

Forget spurious stats that don't include ...the title deed scam..or the Cypriot bankers making loans to people they knew wouldn't get repayed,which bankrupted the country..can we also include the millions of bad loans that weren't repayed but written off to former Presidents and MP's... Can we also include the destroyed computer files with many more loans to corrupt "trash"...Now where does that bring Cyprus up to now on the corruption scale???? ..
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:18 pm

That I think is one of the problems of Cyprus, and that is that it is not as willing as it could be to consider outside ideas. Indeed No where is corruption free but saying other places are corrupt is not really an excuse for not doing anything about it here.

If the corruptions could be reduced then Cyprus would be an even better place to live, but when colleagues joke about what one has to pay to pass the driving test, and in particular what the pretty girls have to pay, " oh, how they pay..." you have a problem.
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby Demonax » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:31 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:Forget spurious stats that don't include ...the title deed scam..or the Cypriot bankers making loans to people they knew wouldn't get repayed,which bankrupted the country..can we also include the millions of bad loans that weren't repayed but written off to former Presidents and MP's... Can we also include the destroyed computer files with many more loans to corrupt "trash"...Now where does that bring Cyprus up to now on the corruption scale???? ..


Seriously? Do you know how much Western governments have fleeced their own taxpayers to lend to already bankrupt nations like Greece, Portugal and Spain? Knowing full well these loans will never get repaid? Do you know the extent of the deceit carried out on Western taxpayers by the ECB and the troika to prevent bad northern European banks from taking losses on their poor loans?

Some greedy bankers in Cyprus screwed up by making lousy investment decisions. But that is nothing compared to the disaster of the Eurozone economy. Nor does it justify the outrageous attempt to claim these losses from perfectly innocent savers by the troika. That was a scandal of unprecedented proportions. And you talk to me of Cypriot corruption? Give me a break!
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:42 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:That I think is one of the problems of Cyprus, and that is that it is not as willing as it could be to consider outside ideas. Indeed No where is corruption free but saying other places are corrupt is not really an excuse for not doing anything about it here.

If the corruptions could be reduced then Cyprus would be an even better place to live, but when colleagues joke about what one has to pay to pass the driving test, and in particular what the pretty girls have to pay, " oh, how they pay..." you have a problem.


Stop gossiping, fool! Why are "outside ideas" any better? Simply because they are from "outside", racist?

BTW, I only know of one person who paid to pass their driving test and that was in the UK! (And, it wasn't me! Although I did have the dubious pleasure, a few days ago, to witness imaginative Cypriot driving by being overtaken at the new roundabout in Polis by the car behind me choosing to go round the roundabout anticlockwise just to get in front of me for being so slow. :D )
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby Oceanside50 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:56 pm

Demonax wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:Forget spurious stats that don't include ...the title deed scam..or the Cypriot bankers making loans to people they knew wouldn't get repayed,which bankrupted the country..can we also include the millions of bad loans that weren't repayed but written off to former Presidents and MP's... Can we also include the destroyed computer files with many more loans to corrupt "trash"...Now where does that bring Cyprus up to now on the corruption scale???? ..


Seriously? Do you know how much Western governments have fleeced their own taxpayers to lend to already bankrupt nations like Greece, Portugal and Spain? Knowing full well these loans will never get repaid? Do you know the extent of the deceit carried out on Western taxpayers by the ECB and the troika to prevent bad northern European banks from taking losses on their poor loans?

Some greedy bankers in Cyprus screwed up by making lousy investment decisions. But that is nothing compared to the disaster of the Eurozone economy. Nor does it justify the outrageous attempt to claim these losses from perfectly innocent savers by the troika. That was a scandal of unprecedented proportions. And you talk to me of Cypriot corruption? Give me a break!



Still don't get it do you?...all those countries you cited don't have 37% occupied territory.. When a country like Cyprus has to sell off its Gold Reserve, which is used to buy weapons in time of war, to pay off loans made by corrupt Cypriot banks , it may be the time that we beg the the Brits to recolonize Cyprus because we can't govern ourselves...and by the way what kind of punishment did these scoundrels get? What kind of punishment did the morons get for blowing up Mari?....and on and on and on.....
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