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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby Demonax » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:19 pm

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all those countries you cited don't have 37% occupied territory.. When a country like Cyprus has to sell off its Gold Reserve, which is used to buy weapons in time of war, to pay off loans made by corrupt Cypriot banks , it may be the time that we beg the the Brits to recolonize Cyprus because we can't govern ourselves...and by the way what kind of punishment did these scoundrels get? What kind of punishment did the morons get for blowing up Mari?....and on and on and on.....


I'm not defending the reckless Cypriot bankers, nor the fools who dealt with the Mari explosives. The previous administration has much to answer for and the fact that the clown-in-chief is immune from prosecution is a scandal.

I have no truck with the way that greed and complacency infiltrated the financial and political system. It's all part of the same moral weakness. I hope the criminal investigation into the banking system gets results. It'll be a first for Europe!

Lessons need to be learned. Regulation and transparency is not something that is beyond us. Cyprus is a small place and measures can be implemented If the will is there. Cyprus does have competent administrators and civil servants. The EU Presidency ran without a hitch which shows what we can achieve when a proper and accountable system is put in place.

What we need to do is put those responsible for criminal offences in prison for a long time. Examples need to be made so that bankers and politicians and administrators know there are consequences for their actions. But it's much better to have a proper system of checks and balances in place so that it doesn't get to that stage.
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby bill cobbett » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:23 pm

Yes... but where is the reaction from ordinary CYs to two calamities, to Mari and the Banking Scandal...???

Things won't change without such a massive reaction.

Why haven't we seen thousands of CYs out on the streets ... ???
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby Demonax » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:33 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Yes... but where is the reaction from ordinary CYs to two calamities, to Mari and the Banking Scandal...???

Things won't change without such a massive reaction.

Why haven't we seen thousands of CYs out on the streets ... ???


Because those responsible have either been kicked out of power or under criminal investigation.

We don't do mobs and pitchforks! Much too civilised for that!
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby Oceanside50 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:15 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Yes... but where is the reaction from ordinary CYs to two calamities, to Mari and the Banking Scandal...???

Things won't change without such a massive reaction.

Why haven't we seen thousands of CYs out on the streets ... ???

I ll tell you why,Bill. It's the ghosts of the past..Even recently while Cypriots were demonstrating at the Presidential palace, a Christofias spokesman told the crowd, if the government falls, you will give the Turks a reason to attack.. It goes to the Cypriot saying "shipse ti kele. Sou jai siopa"...it has nothing to do with acting civilized, the highest form of democracy is to revolt against tyranny...Besides Cypriots are too rich to risk breaking a nail or getting a dent in their German car...
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby Demonax » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:29 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Yes... but where is the reaction from ordinary CYs to two calamities, to Mari and the Banking Scandal...???

Things won't change without such a massive reaction.

Why haven't we seen thousands of CYs out on the streets ... ???

I ll tell you why,Bill. It's the ghosts of the past..Even recently while Cypriots were demonstrating at the Presidential palace, a Christofias spokesman told the crowd, if the government falls, you will give the Turks a reason to attack.. It goes to the Cypriot saying "shipse ti kele. Sou jai siopa"...it has nothing to do with acting civilized, the highest form of democracy is to revolt against tyranny...Besides Cypriots are too rich to risk breaking a nail or getting a dent in their German car...


Come off it. Christofias refused to resign so people waited till elections to get rid of the scoundrel. It's not as if he was going to last much longer. We're still living in a democracy and used the ballot box. Hardly a tyranny...
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:36 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Yes... but where is the reaction from ordinary CYs to two calamities, to Mari and the Banking Scandal...???

Things won't change without such a massive reaction.

Why haven't we seen thousands of CYs out on the streets ... ???


As awful as Mari was, that's a one-off which has to be put into perspective, part of the learning curve. It's not as though worse things don't happen elsewhere for you to beat the Cypriots about this one disaster (from which lessons were learnt as Christofias turned away a similar consignment afterwards.)

Here are some similar disasters (wiki) for people to stop being racist against Cypriots and accept that disasters happen everywhere (we poor humans are only wise in retrospect! )

February 7, 2010: 2010 Connecticut power plant explosion. A large explosion occurred at a Kleen Energy Systems 620-megawatt, Siemens combined cycle gas- and oil- fired power plant in Middletown, Connecticut, United States. Preliminary reports attributed the cause of the explosion to a test of the plant's energy systems.[6] The plant was still under construction and scheduled to start supplying energy in June 2010.[7] The number of injuries was eventually established to be 27.[8] Five people died in the explosion.


March 2011: Fukushima I nuclear accidents in Japan. Regarded as the largest nuclear disaster since the Chernobyl disaster, there were no direct deaths but a few of the plant's workers were severely injured or killed by the disaster conditions resulting from the earthquake.


February 7, 2008: The 2008 Georgia sugar refinery explosion in Port Wentworth, Georgia, United States. Thirteen people were killed and 42 injured when a dust explosion occurred at a sugar refinery owned by Imperial Sugar.


February 1, 2008: Istanbul fireworks explosion. An unlicensed fireworks factory exploded accidentally, leaving by some reports at least 22 people dead and at least 100 injured.


November 19, 2010: Pike River Mine disaster in New Zealand. At 3:45pm, the coal mine exploded. Twenty-nine men underground died immediately, or shortly afterwards, from the blast or from the toxic atmosphere. Two men in the stone drift, some distance from the mine workings, managed to escape.


April 17, 2013: Fertiziler plant explosion in West, Texas, an explosion occurred at the West Fertilizer Company storage and distribution facility in West, Texas, 18 miles (29 km) north of Waco while emergency services personnel were responding to a fire at the facility. At least 14 people were killed, more than 160 were injured and more than 150 buildings were damaged or destroyed.


Sadly, the list is endless ...
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby bill cobbett » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:56 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Yes... but where is the reaction from ordinary CYs to two calamities, to Mari and the Banking Scandal...???

Things won't change without such a massive reaction.

Why haven't we seen thousands of CYs out on the streets ... ???

I ll tell you why,Bill. It's the ghosts of the past..Even recently while Cypriots were demonstrating at the Presidential palace, a Christofias spokesman told the crowd, if the government falls, you will give the Turks a reason to attack.. It goes to the Cypriot saying "shipse ti kele. Sou jai siopa"...it has nothing to do with acting civilized, the highest form of democracy is to revolt against tyranny...Besides Cypriots are too rich to risk breaking a nail or getting a dent in their German car...


Well said file.

An ex-President rewarded with a chauffeured top-of-the-range Merc and multi-thousand euro pension for life along with all the place-men from the past and the usual families who sit at the top table in CY.

Are you all too busy to protest? Too pre-occupied with lazy days cooling and lounging on beaches, with over-eating souvla and afternoon sex...???

Nothing changes 'til people change it.

Enough with the excuses CYs, enough with the indulgences... take to the streets...!!!
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:05 pm

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Demonax wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:Forget spurious stats that don't include ...the title deed scam..or the Cypriot bankers making loans to people they knew wouldn't get repayed,which bankrupted the country..can we also include the millions of bad loans that weren't repayed but written off to former Presidents and MP's... Can we also include the destroyed computer files with many more loans to corrupt "trash"...Now where does that bring Cyprus up to now on the corruption scale???? ..


Seriously? Do you know how much Western governments have fleeced their own taxpayers to lend to already bankrupt nations like Greece, Portugal and Spain? Knowing full well these loans will never get repaid? Do you know the extent of the deceit carried out on Western taxpayers by the ECB and the troika to prevent bad northern European banks from taking losses on their poor loans?

Some greedy bankers in Cyprus screwed up by making lousy investment decisions. But that is nothing compared to the disaster of the Eurozone economy. Nor does it justify the outrageous attempt to claim these losses from perfectly innocent savers by the troika. That was a scandal of unprecedented proportions. And you talk to me of Cypriot corruption? Give me a break!



Still don't get it do you?...all those countries you cited don't have 37% occupied territory.. When a country like Cyprus has to sell off its Gold Reserve, which is used to buy weapons in time of war, to pay off loans made by corrupt Cypriot banks , it may be the time that we beg the the Brits to recolonize Cyprus because we can't govern ourselves...and by the way what kind of punishment did these scoundrels get? What kind of punishment did the morons get for blowing up Mari?....and on and on and on.....

I do not agree with the return of Cyprus to British control. Cyprus is capable of running itself, it's just that some here do not believe that and want Cyprus to be run by the 99th most corrupt state, whose own record of looking after its own affairs is not that good.
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby Demonax » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:23 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:I do not agree with the return of Cyprus to British control. Cyprus is capable of running itself, it's just that some here do not believe that and want Cyprus to be run by the 99th most corrupt state, whose own record of looking after its own affairs is not that good.


That’s nonsense. Cypriots want to run their own affairs. They certainly have no illusions about the competence of any of their supposed 'guarantors'. We’d like rid of the lot of them. The fight goes on...
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Re: Corruption here? surely not!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:31 pm

Oceanside50 wrote: When a country like Cyprus has to sell off its Gold Reserve, which is used to buy weapons in time of war, to pay off loans made by corrupt Cypriot banks , it may be the time that we beg the the Brits to recolonize Cyprus ...


That was precisely the reason the Brits sold their own gold reserves, first. To prop up bankers. We have no choice, we are still governed by Brits and their corrupt, unregulated banking system.

The next step in this war will come courtesy of the EU ...
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