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FEDERATION, CONFEDERATION or TWO-REPUBLICS?

Postby Vassos1 » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:14 pm

I believe that the essence of any Cyprus agreement is determined on what type of agreement will work after living seperately for over 30 years. Are we readu for a true federal formula? Are we ready to compromise? Are we ready to share?
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Postby Piratis » Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:37 am

An agreement that will be based on human rights and democracy and would create a truly united and independent Cyprus. The details can be discussed, but if these universally accepted principles are refused for Cyprus then no "solution" will work out.
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Postby bg_turk » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:35 pm

Piratis wrote:An agreement that will be based on human rights and democracy and would create a truly united and independent Cyprus.

Human rights can be respected without the need to create a "truel" united cyprus is GCs who wish to return choose to live as minority in TRNC with some territorial concessions.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:29 pm

Are you sure? The majority of the northern part of Cyprus are Greek Cypriots. Without the ethnic cleansing no "Turkish RNC" could exist even as a pseudo state. How could a state were the majority are Greek Cypriots called "Turkish"?

"TRNC" and human rights are things opposite to each other. No human rights can exist while "TRNC" exists, and "TRNC" could have never been created without the mass violations of human rights.
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Postby bg_turk » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:31 pm

Piratis wrote: Without the ethnic cleansing no "Turkish RNC" could exist even as a pseudo state. How could a state were the majority are Greek Cypriots called "Turkish"?

Of course you are right, without the ethic cleansing of TCs from Southern Cyprus the need for the existence of such a state would not have arised in the first place either.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:41 pm

So we ethnically cleansed TCs from southern Cyprus ah? Do you read what you write?

Not only we didn't do that, it would be stupid even to think that we would remove TCs from one part of Cyprus and place them in another part so they would have a separate state there!!

If we had performed ethnic cleansing of TCs this would have been done over the whole Cyprus and no TC would have existed in Cyprus. As you know this didn't happen anywhere except your imagination.

In the intercommunal conflict an equal number of TCs and GCs were killed. We are talking about some 100s from each side. The Turkish invasion killed 6000 people and ethnically cleansed 200.000 within days!
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Postby ONURLU_1925 » Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:50 pm

4500 people of Piratis' 6000 people were killed in a war(during intervention), they weren't innocent people, all of them had guns, many of them were in Greek Army. However, Piratis never tells us how many innocent and unarmed TCs were killed.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:29 am

4500 people of Piratis' 6000 people were killed in a war(during intervention), they weren't innocent people, all of them had guns, many of them were in Greek Army.

At that time we didn't even have 4500 soldiers defending Cyprus. Even if some of those were soldiers though, why is a person defending his own country against the invader not innocent???

However, Piratis never tells us how many innocent and unarmed TCs were killed.

Way less than 6000 or even 1500.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:45 am

What about the Turkish soldiers killed at the landing in Karaoglanoglu/Kyrenia, they were bombed from the mountains by GCs and Greeks. Arent they humans or dont they count, the only numbers you chant are GC and Greek casualties, there were deaths on both sides, why do you continous feel need to quantify the number of deaths to the apportionment of blame. You sound like you are trying to convince yourself more than anyone else. A lot more of us died so this must show we are not as much to blame. The other side died less so they are more to blame. This is very flawed logic and doesnt reflect anything but destruction of human life.
Try to focus Piratis, 1 death is to many, you lite the fuse to the bomb which exploded in your face, if you pick a fight with someone much stronger then yourself then get ready when all hell lets loose, you will suffer more and in war there are no restrictions or limits on killing, there is no resoning or logic behind war, there is fear, anger and ferocity which will demolish all its way.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:01 am

What about the Turkish soldiers killed at the landing in Karaoglanoglu/Kyrenia, they were bombed from the mountains by GCs and Greeks.


They are also victims of their government's aggression. They were the foreign invaders. The Greek Cypriots soldiers that were killed by them were simply defending their own country.

The number of Turkish soldiers that were killed was a very small one. They Turks were bombing our cities and everything, and people regardless of age, gender or status (soldier/civilian) were killed.

Try to focus Piratis, 1 death is to many

Then why did Turkey invade Cyprus? As you know no Turkish Cypriot was killed by the coup. Turkish Cypriots had casualties only after the Turkish invasion had started.

you lite the fuse to the bomb which exploded in your face, if you pick a fight with someone much stronger then yourself then get ready when all hell lets loose, you will suffer more and in war there are no restrictions or limits on killing, there is no resoning or logic behind war, there is fear, anger and ferocity which will demolish all its way.

First of all you started this, not us. Second, I assume that what you say is that when we will rightfully reclaim our land, it will not matter if in the process one or all Turkish Cypriots are killed?
Your claims are redicoulous my friend. You are trying to excuse genocide and ethnic cleansing by equating the death of 1 with the death of 1000s of people and the ethnic cleansing of 200.000.
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