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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:58 am

Garavnoss wrote:.... it IS possible that the earthquake in Cyprus was a direct result of the initial experiments


And yet, it is most probable that the earthquake was caused by 'nature' and not some South Pacific experiments by the 'Yanks'.

- I wonder if, then, you would have as bad an opinion of nature for causing this as you do of the Yanks?
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby Paphitis » Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:29 am

Oh yes, what a lunatic. Everything is the fault of the USA, even Earthquakes, Floods and Natural Disasters now.

Wow.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby Oceanside50 » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:09 pm

miltiades wrote:

Eleni was from Kato Platres, moved to Stroumbi after her wedding, a pleasantly plump woman in her very early thirties, a wonderful cook and much in demand by the villagers who would employ her to cook traditional Cypriot dishes apart from Koutsia, Fasolia and revithia. She was a very good pastry cook, her pantespani much in demand in the village.


What happened to your father?
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:18 pm

And he forgot the Russian tests (on 8th and 10th September 1953) (the 1953 American tests were earlier - last in June?)
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby miltiades » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:37 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:miltiades wrote:

Eleni was from Kato Platres, moved to Stroumbi after her wedding, a pleasantly plump woman in her very early thirties, a wonderful cook and much in demand by the villagers who would employ her to cook traditional Cypriot dishes apart from Koutsia, Fasolia and revithia. She was a very good pastry cook, her pantespani much in demand in the village.


What happened to your father?

Although my father did not suffer any injuries as a result of the earthquake, on seeing my mother dead he collapsed and developed a massive hernia which burst out of his stomach. He spent a couple of months in hospital, hense the reason us children were taken to the Limassol orphanage, known then as PEDIGI STEGI.

My father stood by us all and took us out of the orphange about 18 months later.

He passed away at the age of 83 about 19 years ago.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby Garavnoss » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:59 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:.... it IS possible that the earthquake in Cyprus was a direct result of the initial experiments


And yet, it is most probable that the earthquake was caused by 'nature' and not some South Pacific experiments by the 'Yanks'. ?



It's called "The Ripple Effect" and is a fundamental feature in so many occurrences throughout "Nature" [and in human behaviour].

The simplest demonstration might be to drop a pebble into a small pond, similar effects with sound waves, vibrations etc.

In terms of "Human Behaviour", the same principles may be applied to "Rumour" or various other sources.

The delicate balances of "Nature" are well documented and ANY disturbance to those sensitive balances may result in a multitude of disasters, the consequences of detonating "Nuclear Devices" underground are NOT fully understood [but are subject to speculation] and for ALL the mathematical calculations applied as justification, the fact remains that the "Balance" suffers disturbance and there are "After Effects" which remain a mystery until the end result presents itself.

Thereafter WE are presented with scientific explanations which [in the case of "Natural Disasters"] are based on the theories of those who cannot be entirely sure that they are correct, simply because they do not know.

Underground explosions [by their very nature] cannot be regarded as "Safe" but may be explained as "Necessary" in accordance with the requirements of various modern societies, it is an error to accept such explanations without [at least] thinking about them. 8)
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Sep 12, 2015 10:58 am

Yes, I know of the ripple effect - its power diminishes over distance. Any impact in the South Pacific will be greatly diminished before it reached the other side of the world (Cyprus). Perhaps you are thinking of the butterfly effect or consequences from a chain reaction?

Anyway, whilst not defending nuclear testing (something I am against most strongly) I still think you have stooped pretty low to ignore the devastation that nature can cause in favour of promoting your theories that the Yanks are behind every 'cause and effect' on this planet. In other words, you have diminished your own argument through absurdity.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby Jerry » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:03 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Yes, I know of the ripple effect - its power diminishes over distance. Any impact in the South Pacific will be greatly diminished before it reached the other side of the world (Cyprus). Perhaps you are thinking of the butterfly effect or consequences from a chain reaction?

Anyway, whilst not defending nuclear testing (something I am against most strongly) I still think you have stooped pretty low to ignore the devastation that nature can cause in favour of promoting your theories that the Yanks are behind every 'cause and effect' on this planet. In other words, you have diminished your own argument through absurdity.



Well said GIG, the bloke is a sad attention seeking nut case.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:43 am

Jerry wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Yes, I know of the ripple effect - its power diminishes over distance. Any impact in the South Pacific will be greatly diminished before it reached the other side of the world (Cyprus). Perhaps you are thinking of the butterfly effect or consequences from a chain reaction?

Anyway, whilst not defending nuclear testing (something I am against most strongly) I still think you have stooped pretty low to ignore the devastation that nature can cause in favour of promoting your theories that the Yanks are behind every 'cause and effect' on this planet. In other words, you have diminished your own argument through absurdity.



Well said GIG, the bloke is a sad attention seeking nut case.


Only one American Underground test had apparently been performed before the tragic earthquake, and that was the Buster-Jangle Uncle test held 29 November 1951, a 1.2 kiloton device which was detonated 5.2 m (17 ft) beneath ground level. Hardly an earthshaking event. (the Hiroshima bomb was 16KT, ) All the rest were above ground.

The Russians on the other hand had detonated a 400KT device in August 1953, rather nearer in time to the tragic earthquake. In his desire, to get at Milti, and Garavnoss appears to have overlooked the Russian tests, then he has never let truth stand in the way of one of his Stories.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:57 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
Jerry wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Yes, I know of the ripple effect - its power diminishes over distance. Any impact in the South Pacific will be greatly diminished before it reached the other side of the world (Cyprus). Perhaps you are thinking of the butterfly effect or consequences from a chain reaction?

Anyway, whilst not defending nuclear testing (something I am against most strongly) I still think you have stooped pretty low to ignore the devastation that nature can cause in favour of promoting your theories that the Yanks are behind every 'cause and effect' on this planet. In other words, you have diminished your own argument through absurdity.



Well said GIG, the bloke is a sad attention seeking nut case.


Only one American Underground test had apparently been performed before the tragic earthquake, and that was the Buster-Jangle Uncle test held 29 November 1951, a 1.2 kiloton device which was detonated 5.2 m (17 ft) beneath ground level. Hardly an earthshaking event. (the Hiroshima bomb was 16KT, ) All the rest were above ground.

The Russians on the other hand had detonated a 400KT device in August 1953, rather nearer in time to the tragic earthquake. In his desire, to get at Milti, and Garavnoss appears to have overlooked the Russian tests, then he has never let truth stand in the way of one of his Stories.


Another absurdity :roll: - Garavnoss hates Yanks and you hate Orthodox so you both contrive to blame them both.

For the sake of completion, since you continue the mindless speculation, you conveniently ignore that the UK was busily conducting nuclear testing left right and centre and mostly in secret. So who knows what the Brits were up to since they were the ones DIRECTLY in and around Cyprus at the time of the start of their nuclear testing program in 1952! :roll:
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