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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby Paphitis » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:35 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Yes, I know of the ripple effect - its power diminishes over distance. Any impact in the South Pacific will be greatly diminished before it reached the other side of the world (Cyprus). Perhaps you are thinking of the butterfly effect or consequences from a chain reaction?

Anyway, whilst not defending nuclear testing (something I am against most strongly) I still think you have stooped pretty low to ignore the devastation that nature can cause in favour of promoting your theories that the Yanks are behind every 'cause and effect' on this planet. In other words, you have diminished your own argument through absurdity.


Have any of his arguments been anything but absurd?

it starts getting ridiculous when people look for every opportunity to blame everything on the Yanks. It just proves that he does not have an open mind and is unwilling to properly assess world issues in a reasonable manner.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby Paphitis » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:41 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Jerry wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Yes, I know of the ripple effect - its power diminishes over distance. Any impact in the South Pacific will be greatly diminished before it reached the other side of the world (Cyprus). Perhaps you are thinking of the butterfly effect or consequences from a chain reaction?

Anyway, whilst not defending nuclear testing (something I am against most strongly) I still think you have stooped pretty low to ignore the devastation that nature can cause in favour of promoting your theories that the Yanks are behind every 'cause and effect' on this planet. In other words, you have diminished your own argument through absurdity.



Well said GIG, the bloke is a sad attention seeking nut case.


Only one American Underground test had apparently been performed before the tragic earthquake, and that was the Buster-Jangle Uncle test held 29 November 1951, a 1.2 kiloton device which was detonated 5.2 m (17 ft) beneath ground level. Hardly an earthshaking event. (the Hiroshima bomb was 16KT, ) All the rest were above ground.

The Russians on the other hand had detonated a 400KT device in August 1953, rather nearer in time to the tragic earthquake. In his desire, to get at Milti, and Garavnoss appears to have overlooked the Russian tests, then he has never let truth stand in the way of one of his Stories.


Another absurdity :roll: - Garavnoss hates Yanks and you hate Orthodox so you both contrive to blame them both.

For the sake of completion, since you continue the mindless speculation, you conveniently ignore that the UK was busily conducting nuclear testing left right and centre and mostly in secret. So who knows what the Brits were up to since they were the ones DIRECTLY in and around Cyprus at the time of the start of their nuclear testing program in 1952! :roll:


The first British Tests were conducted between 1956 and 1963 in a place called Maralinga, Australia.

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And seriously, no one in their right mind is going to hold the Yanks, Russians or Brits for some kind of "Ripple Effect" which caused Earthquakes anywhere in the world, including Cyprus.

What the Brits did do however, was deliberately expose British and Australian service personnel to the fallout and virtually all the people you see in that photo had very short lives after this test. A very despicable act which the families deserve huge compensation for because the British and Australian Governments had a duty of care to protect them.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:39 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Jerry wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Yes, I know of the ripple effect - its power diminishes over distance. Any impact in the South Pacific will be greatly diminished before it reached the other side of the world (Cyprus). Perhaps you are thinking of the butterfly effect or consequences from a chain reaction?

Anyway, whilst not defending nuclear testing (something I am against most strongly) I still think you have stooped pretty low to ignore the devastation that nature can cause in favour of promoting your theories that the Yanks are behind every 'cause and effect' on this planet. In other words, you have diminished your own argument through absurdity.



Well said GIG, the bloke is a sad attention seeking nut case.


Only one American Underground test had apparently been performed before the tragic earthquake, and that was the Buster-Jangle Uncle test held 29 November 1951, a 1.2 kiloton device which was detonated 5.2 m (17 ft) beneath ground level. Hardly an earthshaking event. (the Hiroshima bomb was 16KT, ) All the rest were above ground.

The Russians on the other hand had detonated a 400KT device in August 1953, rather nearer in time to the tragic earthquake. In his desire, to get at Milti, and Garavnoss appears to have overlooked the Russian tests, then he has never let truth stand in the way of one of his Stories.


Another absurdity :roll: - Garavnoss hates Yanks and you hate Orthodox so you both contrive to blame them both.

For the sake of completion, since you continue the mindless speculation, you conveniently ignore that the UK was busily conducting nuclear testing left right and centre and mostly in secret. So who knows what the Brits were up to since they were the ones DIRECTLY in and around Cyprus at the time of the start of their nuclear testing program in 1952! :roll:


yes its a little known fact that the UK carried out an above ground nuclear bomb test in Agia Napa in 1955. It did 15 quid's worth of damage and most of that was to the
bomb.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby Paphitis » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:12 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Jerry wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Yes, I know of the ripple effect - its power diminishes over distance. Any impact in the South Pacific will be greatly diminished before it reached the other side of the world (Cyprus). Perhaps you are thinking of the butterfly effect or consequences from a chain reaction?

Anyway, whilst not defending nuclear testing (something I am against most strongly) I still think you have stooped pretty low to ignore the devastation that nature can cause in favour of promoting your theories that the Yanks are behind every 'cause and effect' on this planet. In other words, you have diminished your own argument through absurdity.



Well said GIG, the bloke is a sad attention seeking nut case.


Only one American Underground test had apparently been performed before the tragic earthquake, and that was the Buster-Jangle Uncle test held 29 November 1951, a 1.2 kiloton device which was detonated 5.2 m (17 ft) beneath ground level. Hardly an earthshaking event. (the Hiroshima bomb was 16KT, ) All the rest were above ground.

The Russians on the other hand had detonated a 400KT device in August 1953, rather nearer in time to the tragic earthquake. In his desire, to get at Milti, and Garavnoss appears to have overlooked the Russian tests, then he has never let truth stand in the way of one of his Stories.


Another absurdity :roll: - Garavnoss hates Yanks and you hate Orthodox so you both contrive to blame them both.

For the sake of completion, since you continue the mindless speculation, you conveniently ignore that the UK was busily conducting nuclear testing left right and centre and mostly in secret. So who knows what the Brits were up to since they were the ones DIRECTLY in and around Cyprus at the time of the start of their nuclear testing program in 1952! :roll:


yes its a little known fact that the UK carried out an above ground nuclear bomb test in Agia Napa in 1955. It did 15 quid's worth of damage and most of that was to the
bomb.


It's a little known fact that Cyprus has conducted a nuclear test of its own.

The Mari explosion is considered to be the 7th largest explosion in human history which took out the power station.

All very stupid because Shistofias had offers from Germany, UK and USA to take the munitions off their hands but they refused because they didn't want to upset Assad. I mean boo hoo, you couldn't even make it up if you tried. Just think how much concern Shistofias had for Assad, so much so he didn't want to upset him.

He instead upset all Cypriots because his stupidity cost the lives of 13 Cypriots and another 62 were seriously injured.

Heaven forbid if Shistofias had a real nuclear weapon or a Nuclear Power Plant. You guys will be glowing in the dark. :lol:
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby Garavnoss » Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:56 pm

The "Yanks" can claim responsibility for the invention and FIRST detonation of the Nuclear Bomb, whatever devastation followed [as with the unlawful attack on Iraq] it cannot be denied that {at the time] nobody really knew what the result of the experiments [or attack] would be, we have been experiencing the result of the latter for years now.

Scientists STILL do not know for sure what damage has been done to the "Tectonic plates" [if any] and certainly the members of this forum are not qualified to make judgements which positively conclude that NO damage was done..... if you don't know, you don't know and it is as simple as that.

Whatever follows an event, whether it be a "Nuclear Explosion" or an "Unlawful Attack" {and you may take your pick] the AFTERMATH must be the RESULT of the action. 8)
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby Garavnoss » Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:37 pm

Paphitis wrote: The first British Tests were conducted between 1956 and 1963 in a place called Maralinga, Australia.

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And seriously, no one in their right mind is going to hold the Yanks, Russians or Brits for some kind of "Ripple Effect" which caused Earthquakes anywhere in the world, including Cyprus.

What the Brits did do however, was deliberately expose British and Australian service personnel to the fallout and virtually all the people you see in that photo had very short lives after this test. A very despicable act which the families deserve huge compensation for because the British and Australian Governments had a duty of care to protect them.



Your comments serve to bolster precisely that which "I" have indicated, that THEY DID NOT KNOW the outcome of their experiments.

Unless you wish to submit the proposal that THEY DID KNOW and used the observers as human "Guinea pigs" in order to find out.

If such be the case, there can be no justification for ANY of the Western powers to point their fingers in condemnation of ANY nation that is considered [by such powers] to be in breach of the "Human Rights" they [the West] are forever spouting about. 8)
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby Paphitis » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:48 am

Garavnoss wrote:
Paphitis wrote: The first British Tests were conducted between 1956 and 1963 in a place called Maralinga, Australia.

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And seriously, no one in their right mind is going to hold the Yanks, Russians or Brits for some kind of "Ripple Effect" which caused Earthquakes anywhere in the world, including Cyprus.

What the Brits did do however, was deliberately expose British and Australian service personnel to the fallout and virtually all the people you see in that photo had very short lives after this test. A very despicable act which the families deserve huge compensation for because the British and Australian Governments had a duty of care to protect them.



Your comments serve to bolster precisely that which "I" have indicated, that THEY DID NOT KNOW the outcome of their experiments.

Unless you wish to submit the proposal that THEY DID KNOW and used the observers as human "Guinea pigs" in order to find out.

If such be the case, there can be no justification for ANY of the Western powers to point their fingers in condemnation of ANY nation that is considered [by such powers] to be in breach of the "Human Rights" they [the West] are forever spouting about. 8)


Yes I believe they new the dangers but maybe they didn't believe they were in danger if the were upwind etc. so it is unclear whether they were Guinea Pigs or not. Either way, it was deplorable and they got to admit some liability which they have not done.

And yes they have a right to point fingers if they want to because that was in the 50s and today they would do things differently. In fact they just would not conduct any tests today so they have both modified their behaviour and doing their best to be responsible.

They were aware of the dangers.
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby Paphitis » Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:50 am

Garavnoss wrote:The "Yanks" can claim responsibility for the invention and FIRST detonation of the Nuclear Bomb, whatever devastation followed [as with the unlawful attack on Iraq] it cannot be denied that {at the time] nobody really knew what the result of the experiments [or attack] would be, we have been experiencing the result of the latter for years now.

Scientists STILL do not know for sure what damage has been done to the "Tectonic plates" [if any] and certainly the members of this forum are not qualified to make judgements which positively conclude that NO damage was done..... if you don't know, you don't know and it is as simple as that.

Whatever follows an event, whether it be a "Nuclear Explosion" or an "Unlawful Attack" {and you may take your pick] the AFTERMATH must be the RESULT of the action. 8)


Well if that be the case, it was actually the NAZIs who invented the Bomb. The YANKS and Russians simply stole the technology.
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So Germany is responsible for the earthquakes then!
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby Garavnoss » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:46 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Garavnoss wrote:The "Yanks" can claim responsibility for the invention and FIRST detonation of the Nuclear Bomb, whatever devastation followed [as with the unlawful attack on Iraq] it cannot be denied that {at the time] nobody really knew what the result of the experiments [or attack] would be, we have been experiencing the result of the latter for years now.

Scientists STILL do not know for sure what damage has been done to the "Tectonic plates" [if any] and certainly the members of this forum are not qualified to make judgements which positively conclude that NO damage was done..... if you don't know, you don't know and it is as simple as that.

Whatever follows an event, whether it be a "Nuclear Explosion" or an "Unlawful Attack" {and you may take your pick] the AFTERMATH must be the RESULT of the action. 8)


Well if that be the case, it was actually the NAZIs who invented the Bomb. The YANKS and Russians simply stole the technology.
:lol:
So Germany is responsible for the earthquakes then!



I think you will find that you are mistaken regarding the invention of the "Nuclear Bomb".

As to your contention that the YANKS and the Russians stole technology, there is nothing new there, the thieving bastards will steal anything they can get their hands on regardless of the suffering such orchestrated thefts may impose upon those unable to defend themselves [or their possessions] when the "Bullies" come to town.

Is that not tantamount to the main cause of that which we are now witnessing as millions are rendered homeless ?. 8)
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Re: IN MEMORY OF ELENI, 60 YEARS ON...

Postby miltiades » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:01 pm

May I kindly request that those in search of reasons as to why earthquakes are caused start a thread dedicated to this subject.
This thread I dedicated to my mother, a victim of the 1953 earthquake.
Kindly refrain from further irrelevant posts.

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