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[Paphitis]

The idea might be to allow it to flounder and start up an entirely new business (Cyprus Air) in its place. The liabilities are too high and the Public Sector union is too much of a nuisance to make Cyprus Airways an attractive proposition.

[kurupetos]

Is Agean the phoenix of Oympus Airways? I'm flying back home on CA next week from Abu Dhabi; it is a share though and the flight is Etihad. I have always liked flying with CA and thought it well worth the money.

Jimski

You only liked CA because it is not managed properly, allowing lots of empty seats, being overstaffed and offering more than it could really affort.

But how long could it last without government subsides? We should just get rid of it.

[Paphitis]

Is Agean the phoenix of Oympus Airways? I'm flying back home on CA next week from Abu Dhabi; it is a share though and the flight is Etihad. I have always liked flying with CA and thought it well worth the money.

Jimski

You only liked CA because it is not managed properly, allowing lots of empty seats, being overstaffed and offering more than it could really affort.

But how long could it last without government subsides? We should just get rid of it.

That is absolute rubbish and you obviously do not know what you're talking about.

Cyprus Airways is a Regular Public Transport company. It's services are scheduled services. Even when some scheduled services have low load factors, it is mandatory for the service to go ahead. Cyprus Airways is not allowed to cancel a service just because there are too many empty seats.

It can review its frequency provided no seats have been sold, and consolidate its services if Load factors are getting low to avoid losses, but once a seat is sold, the service goes ahead even if it is unprofitable.

Staffing levels on board aircraft are mandated! There are always 2 Pilots, and sometimes a third Safety Pilot if Pilot Line Training is occuring. Every 6 months, pilots will undergo a Line Check, which means there is a third Check and Trainer Pilot in the Jump seat.

There is also the mandated 1 Cabin Crew Member per 36 passengers or part thereof! That means, if there are 37 passengers, there will be 2 Cabin crew.

Staffing levels are only high because of Government Interferance and "polital appointees" of some idiots with messon within the middle and senior management levels.

That is how things work in Cyprus, and it has destroyed Cyprus Airways. Some Pilots are "political appointments" as well, but they are at the coal face generating revenue rather than being a waste of space.

I was offered a "political appointment" back in 1996 (Olympic) along with such persons as Laliotis' Son amongst other individuals such as some sons of Captains, sons of Greek Shipping Tycoons, military establishment and what not because I managed to tap into a lot of very heavy messon through family within the then ruling PASOK Party so I know the process VERY WELL!! My meson even involved mandatory Military Service of 6 months within the Hellenic Airforce and then straight into Olympic immediately after that.

It is this that bought Olympic Airways down as well!

[miltiades]

Personally I don't give a toss as to how many or how much Cyprus Airways employs and pays.

It is a commercial airline that has to be run efficiently in order to provide its customers a viable and cost effective alternative to using other airlines.

I'm a regular flyer to Cyprus. I never use CA because it costs twice as much or more than Easyjet.

I'm flying on Thursday 19th, one way to Paphos, with Easyjet, cost £159, no luggage, but if needed it would cost £173,Cyprus Airways on the other hand want £348 !!!

I could understand it if they were profitable but they are not. Now, why on earth would I pay an extra £189 and fly with CA.

[Paphitis]

Personally I don't give a toss as to how many or how much Cyprus Airways employs and pays.

It is a commercial airline that has to be run efficiently in order to provide its customers a viable and cost effective alternative to using other airlines.

I'm a regular flyer to Cyprus. I never use CA because it costs twice as much or more than Easyjet.

I'm flying on Thursday 19th, one way to Paphos, with Easyjet, cost £159, no luggage, but if needed it would cost £173,Cyprus Airways on the other hand want £348 !!!

I could understand it if they were profitable but they are not. Now, why on earth would I pay an extra £189 and fly with CA.

You too are wrong because as a Patriotic Cypriot you should care about the Ntional Flag Carrier.

A National Flag carrier offers a great deal more to the RoC than merely provide a Transport Service and that is worth MORE than a few measly million.

If you want to tolerate British Chavs on their way to their booze and vomit session in Agia Napa then that is up to you, but your disrespect to Cyprus Airways and its highly experienced and professional workforce is just not on!

[Milo]

I must admit to being a fan of CA and used it often IF I could catch a discounted price which I often did, not having to be tied to particular dates. It was usually though when students were flying back and two to Cyprus that the prices were dropped.

The govt ruined the National Carrier and even today the EU commission are looking at Christofias giving the airline yet another €31 million before he left office when the country was by then unofficially bankrupt. Unfair competition wasn't right, a well run airline will work, CA has six planes, Ryanair has 200 running all over the place, who is to say budget airlines are just for drinking chavs?

Stelios runs EJ well, so again to accuse the airline of being used just by young drunks is way off the mark, maybe you should try it as its very very surprising what members of society now prefer bargains! my OH has just bought a ticket from the new route Liverpool to Larnaca for March, it cost in total £79 return we then added on allocated seat one suitcase, plus a EJ hire car at Larnaca for one week, total cost was £198 including car rental. We've never done it for that ever before, it took us to leave the island and return to the UK before it happened!

I hope that CA returns as a streamlined national carrier as the island needs one, we have BA a once troubled national carrier which is well used now. But when you can finally get a return ticket to Cyprus for under £80 it's too late for us!

One the islands problems was and still is the high cost of getting on or off it, with no choices until lately of budget carriers, I hope too that they open up the ferries again as they predict! An island with no ferries sailing back and two was breathtakingly mad all to keep the national carrier up in the air! Well it didn't work did it....

[supporttheunderdog]

Comments in today's press
http://incyprus.philenews.com/en-gb/Top-Stories-News/4342/38519

Lack of interest
As the European Commission’s crucial decision on cash-poor Cyprus Airways is expected soon, insiders dismissed reports that 10 prospective investors are ‘flirting’ with the national carrier.
“Rumours about investors lining up to pour cash into the ailing carrier are almost comical. A serious investor expresses interest, negotiates with the company and either comes in or walks away,” one inside source told The Cyprus Daily yesterday.
“The truth of the matter is that Cyprus Airways is a ship that is slowly but steadily sinking,” added the insider.

the article indicates that the hammer is likely to fall in January....

The Commission’s decision is expected early in January, and this means that if they say no to a submitted revised restructuring plan then the carrier closes down immediately.
Because it would have to immediately return millions of aid funds back to the government, something that the bankrupt carrier is financially unable do.

[Paphitis]

It's also worthy to note that Cyprus Airways IS entitled to compensations and some subsidies due to financial losses as a result of Turkey not allowing the use of its Airspcce.

This compensation is in fact scientifically calculated for flights to and from Moscow. Anything beyond that could be deemed unfair by EU regulation (lambron na tous gabsi tous bastardous)...

[miltiades]

Personally I don't give a toss as to how many or how much Cyprus Airways employs and pays.

It is a commercial airline that has to be run efficiently in order to provide its customers a viable and cost effective alternative to using other airlines.

I'm a regular flyer to Cyprus. I never use CA because it costs twice as much or more than Easyjet.

I'm flying on Thursday 19th, one way to Paphos, with Easyjet, cost £159, no luggage, but if needed it would cost £173,Cyprus Airways on the other hand want £348 !!!

I could understand it if they were profitable but they are not. Now, why on earth would I pay an extra £189 and fly with CA.

You too are wrong because as a Patriotic Cypriot you should care about the Ntional Flag Carrier.

A National Flag carrier offers a great deal more to the RoC than merely provide a Transport Service and that is worth MORE than a few measly million.

If you want to tolerate British Chavs on their way to their booze and vomit session in Agia Napa then that is up to you, but your disrespect to Cyprus Airways and its highly experienced and professional workforce is just not on!

Paphitis, you are a nice guy but a little young and a little naive at times.

Should one support the Bank of Cyprus out of patriotism, and it has been proven to be a thoroughly corrupt and badly run institution, or should one be wise and stay away. I learned a bitter lesson with Laiki, they stole my hard earned money.

Patriotism is the love of one's country not the support of a badly mismanaged so called national carrier.

Patriotism also means looking at your country objectively, as I do , warts and all , and criticize what is bad while praising what is good.

I love Cyprus, but I will not look at it with rose tinted glasses.

[Paphitis]

Personally I don't give a toss as to how many or how much Cyprus Airways employs and pays.

It is a commercial airline that has to be run efficiently in order to provide its customers a viable and cost effective alternative to using other airlines.

I'm a regular flyer to Cyprus. I never use CA because it costs twice as much or more than Easyjet.

I'm flying on Thursday 19th, one way to Paphos, with Easyjet, cost £159, no luggage, but if needed it would cost £173,Cyprus Airways on the other hand want £348 !!!

I could understand it if they were profitable but they are not. Now, why on earth would I pay an extra £189 and fly with CA.

You too are wrong because as a Patriotic Cypriot you should care about the Ntional Flag Carrier.

A National Flag carrier offers a great deal more to the RoC than merely provide a Transport Service and that is worth MORE than a few measly million.

If you want to tolerate British Chavs on their way to their booze and vomit session in Agia Napa then that is up to you, but your disrespect to Cyprus Airways and its highly experienced and professional workforce is just not on!

Paphitis, you are a nice guy but a little young and a little naive at times.

Should one support the Bank of Cyprus out of patriotism, and it has been proven to be a thoroughly corrupt and badly run institution, or should one be wise and stay away. I learned a bitter lesson with Laiki, they stole my hard earned money.

Patriotism is the love of one's country not the support of a badly mismanaged so called national carrier.

Patriotism also means looking at your country objectively, as I do , warts and all , and criticize what is bad while praising what is good.

I love Cyprus, but I will not look at it with rose tinted glasses.

The Bank of Cyprus is a dirty rotten Bank which contributed to the massive economic disaster. If this did not occur, then the RoC would easily be in a position to Bail Cyprus Airways out of the poo.

Cyprus Airways is a National Carrier which flies the Cyprus Flag/Mouflon to international cities across Europe, North Africa and Middle East. It also can provide great assistance to the RoC in times of war, and keeps valuable Pilots and Engineers on the Cypriot/RoC payroll. Stupid comparison!